Segerstam- Symphony No.151 (out of 215 so far)

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Brian

A comment from BIS Records founder/CEO Robert von Bahr:

"Segerstam is presumably the greatest musical genius I will ever come across: he reads a score - ANY score - better than I read a Swedish daily. He has perfect pitch down to the tiniest degree and perfect rhythm as well - wake him up in the middle of the night and ask for tempo 167 and it comes. He has the unbeatable record of composed symphonies, pushing towards 300 now (which is about his IQ as well)."

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Brian on May 02, 2016, 04:27:17 AM
pushing towards 300 now (which is about his IQ as well)."

And his weight . . . .
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Cato

Unless I see the musicians crowded into closets and a dining room and in kitchen hallways, and hear the synthesizers being beaten, I will not believe.

https://www.youtube.com/v/f1CPFf1luOg

This reminds of the Wonder Automobile Company, whose slogan was:

"If it runs, it's a Wonder!"   0:)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

snyprrr

Quote from: Cato on May 02, 2016, 06:33:20 AM
Unless I see the musicians crowded into closets and a dining room and in kitchen hallways, and hear the synthesizers being beaten, I will not believe.

https://www.youtube.com/v/f1CPFf1luOg

This reminds of the Wonder Automobile Company, whose slogan was:

"If it runs, it's a Wonder!"   0:)

I saw that the other day... jaw still on floor...

If he's so "genius", perfect pitch/rhythm- then why does he write amorphous stuff????? Is it to ease his hyper-precision????

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Cato on May 02, 2016, 06:33:20 AM
Unless I see the musicians crowded into closets and a dining room and in kitchen hallways, and hear the synthesizers being beaten, I will not believe.

https://www.youtube.com/v/f1CPFf1luOg

This reminds of the Wonder Automobile Company, whose slogan was:

"If it runs, it's a Wonder!"   0:)

I lasted about 45 seconds. It's too derivative of symphony #238.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Mirror Image

I'm not sure what Segerstam's Symphony No. 151 is supposed to be, but 10 seconds in and I ran for help.
"Humility is society's greatest misconception."

My "Top 5" Favorite Composers: Debussy, Mahler, Strauss, Sibelius and Bartók


Cato

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2016, 06:59:58 AM
I lasted about 45 seconds. It's too derivative of symphony #238.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Quote from: snyprrr on May 02, 2016, 06:39:58 AM
I saw that the other day... jaw still on floor...

If he's so "genius", perfect pitch/rhythm- then why does he write amorphous stuff????? Is it to ease his hyper-precision????

"Amorphousness" is his style!  0:)

"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

k a rl h e nn i ng

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

k a rl h e nn i ng

Quote from: Cato on May 02, 2016, 07:13:49 AM

"Amorphousness" is his style!  0:)


His music can only bring synpppps pain . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Cato

#49
Quote from: karlhenning on May 02, 2016, 08:25:14 AM
His music can only bring synpppps pain . . . .

I suspect that the Symphony #237 and everything composed after Symphony #97 1/2 may well be a non-analgesic deconstruction of Snorri Sturluson's Heimskringla combined with that famous folk-song Did Someone Call Me Schnorrer?.

Hence the pain!  8)

An early work: compare the two!

https://www.youtube.com/v/KKqRxgarjdc
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Rons_talking

Quote from: Brian on May 02, 2016, 04:27:17 AM
A comment from BIS Records founder/CEO Robert von Bahr:

"Segerstam is presumably the greatest musical genius I will ever come across: he reads a score - ANY score - better than I read a Swedish daily. He has perfect pitch down to the tiniest degree and perfect rhythm as well - wake him up in the middle of the night and ask for tempo 167 and it comes. He has the unbeatable record of composed symphonies, pushing towards 300 now (which is about his IQ as well)."

I've heard roughly the same description applied to dozens of modern composers. My reaction is "So What?" So he's just like 1000 conductors and performing musicians around the world. The music I've listened to like a set of instructions. I don't dislike it...But credentials don't make the music. How many Boulez recordings and writings are there where there is not a reference to his great ear, uncanny rhythm and mathmatical training? The whole "the music HAS to be good because the creator can sing three symphonies at once while frying his eggs and making hash browns" seems to apologize in advance for the music.

The new erato

I wouldn't trust any composer that eats hashed browns.

snyprrr

Quote from: Cato on May 02, 2016, 10:32:11 AM
I suspect that the Symphony #237 and everything composed after Symphony #97 1/2 may well be a non-analgesic deconstruction of Snorri Sturluson's Heimskringla combined with that famous folk-song Did Someone Call Me Schnorrer?.

Hence the pain!  8)

An early work: compare the two!

https://www.youtube.com/v/KKqRxgarjdc

Segerstam's genius has stayed the course over the decades, lol!!

:Amorphous is my bag, baby!"

ritter

#53
Quote from: Rons_talking on May 02, 2016, 09:51:03 PM
......But credentials don't make the music. How many Boulez recordings and writings are there where there is not a reference to his great ear, uncanny rhythm and mathmatical training? ...
The answer to your question is quite easy: a whole lot of--excellent--recordings by Boulez don't make any reference to those qualities you mention...What Boulez (a notoriously self-critical composer, whose complete works fit on less than 13 CDs ) has to do in the discussion of Mr. Segerstams's 151st (!!!) symphony, beats me  ::)
ritter
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« ...tout cela qui prend forme et solidité, est sorti, ville et jardins, de ma tasse de thé. »

(poco) Sforzando

Hey, Segerstam is nothing compared to this guy:

http://carsoncooman.com/

Born in 1982, he's already reached op. 1140, which you can download (sounds like he spent less time writing it than it takes to play). By the time you inspect the site, he'll surely be up to op. 1200 if not beyond. Take that, Leif!
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

PerfectWagnerite

Quote from: ritter on May 03, 2016, 07:31:27 AM
The answer to your question is quite easy: a whole lot of--excellent--recordings by Boulez don't make any reference to those qualities you mention...What Boulez (a notoriously self-critical composer, whose complete works fit on less than 13 CDs ) has to do in the discussion of Mr. Segerstams's 151st (!!!) symphony, beats me  ::)
Is that 151 symphonies or 1 symphony written 151 times?

ritter

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 03, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
Is that 151 symphonies or 1 symphony written 151 times?
I'm in no position to answer that question, I'm afarid, as I must confess I have neither the time nor the inclination to listen to them all... :D
ritter
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« ...tout cela qui prend forme et solidité, est sorti, ville et jardins, de ma tasse de thé. »

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: ritter on May 03, 2016, 09:18:09 AM
I'm in no position to answer that question, I'm afarid, as I must confess I have neither the time nor the inclination to listen to them all... :D

Is there a box set? And does it allow for expansion, when he gets around to writing the next 50 or 60 next month?
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Cato

#58
Quote from: snyprrr on May 03, 2016, 07:06:54 AM
Segerstam's genius has stayed the course over the decades, lol!!

:Amorphous is my bag, baby!"

Leif the Lucky c. 1016

Leif the Amorphous c. 2016

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 03, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
Is that 151 symphonies or 1 symphony written 151 times?

Would it be unfair to call the Segerstam oeuvre 275 (and counting) Variations on My First Symphony ?
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

k a rl h e nn i ng

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 03, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
Is that 151 symphonies or 1 symphony written 151 times?

I marvel that he can keep them straight, himself.  (I mean, assuming for the sake of argument that he does.)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot