What IF...??!!!

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Renfield

#60
March 08, 2009, 06:14:51 PM
Quote from: nut-job on March 08, 2009, 04:28:29 PM
In the age of google there is no justification for estimating how old Beethoven lived to be.


It's called finding an excuse for using one's brain, and is a highly recommended exercise.

Lethevich

#61
March 08, 2009, 06:45:22 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 08, 2009, 02:56:28 PM
In this Haydn year...

(I read somewhere that there was such an idea). What if van Swieten and Haydn had had time and enthusiasm for completing a third oratorio, called The Last Judgment, to complement The Creation and The Seasons?

A good one!
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

Grazioso

#62
March 09, 2009, 04:36:57 AM
What if the old major labels (DG, Decca, etc.) and the famed conductors of the 20th century (HvK, Bernstein, Solti, et al.) had showed the same zeal in recording off-the-beaten-path-but-excellent repertoire as labels like CPO, BIS, Naxos, and company do now? "Actually, I'd recommend Karajan's second Atterberg cycle, the one with the VPO...."
There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact. --Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Benji

#63
March 09, 2009, 04:59:40 AM
Quote from: Grazioso on March 09, 2009, 04:36:57 AM
What if the old major labels (DG, Decca, etc.) and the famed conductors of the 20th century (HvK, Bernstein, Solti, et al.) had showed the same zeal in recording off-the-beaten-path-but-excellent repertoire as labels like CPO, BIS, Naxos, and company do now? "Actually, I'd recommend Karajan's second Atterberg cycle, the one with the VPO...."

"Oh, i've just discovered this disc by this obscure Finnish composer called Sibelius, do you know him? The music is Rautavaarian in the way it depicts the frozen north, and also seems to foreshadow Sallinen. It's on an obscure little British label called Decca, you should check out MDT but they might not be able to source it at the moment with the suppliers going out of business and all that."

Twilight zone moment... ;)

Renfield

#64
March 09, 2009, 08:32:08 AM
Quote from: RepliCat on March 09, 2009, 04:59:40 AM
"Oh, i've just discovered this disc by this obscure Finnish composer called Sibelius, do you know him? The music is Rautavaarian in the way it depicts the frozen north, and also seems to foreshadow Sallinen. It's on an obscure little British label called Decca, you should check out MDT but they might not be able to source it at the moment with the suppliers going out of business and all that."

Twilight zone moment... ;)

;D

nut-job

#65
March 09, 2009, 08:38:51 AM
Quote from: Grazioso on March 09, 2009, 04:36:57 AM
What if the old major labels (DG, Decca, etc.) and the famed conductors of the 20th century (HvK, Bernstein, Solti, et al.) had showed the same zeal in recording off-the-beaten-path-but-excellent repertoire as labels like CPO, BIS, Naxos, and company do now? "Actually, I'd recommend Karajan's second Atterberg cycle, the one with the VPO...."

A bit of a tautology, if the major labels had concentrated on off-the-beaten-path-but-excellent repertoire it would not be off-the-beaten-path.  The fact that Karajan didn't do it is what made it off-the-beaten-path.  In his younger days Karajan did champion of-the-beaten-path composers like Sibelius, which is one of the reasons that he is now pseudo-mainstream.

Superhorn

#66
March 09, 2009, 01:38:42 PM
   Actually, Solti did quite a lot of new music and other not so familiar stuff with the Chicago Symphony, but unfortunately, he got to record only Del Tredici's "Final Alice" and Tippett's 4th symphony.
  It would be great if some of that repertoire he did do in Chicago could be released on CD. Who knows?
  The same is true of Karajan in Berlin.
  Thank heaven for Neeme and Paavo Jarvi, Gerard Schwarz, Leonard Slatkin, Alan Gilbert, and other conductors today who champion the lesser-known!

matti

#67
March 09, 2009, 01:59:17 PM Last Edit: March 09, 2009, 02:07:19 PM by matti
What if Schubert had chosen the prostitute on the left?

Diletante

#68
March 09, 2009, 05:01:24 PM
Quote from: matti on March 09, 2009, 01:59:17 PM
What if Schubert had chosen the prostitute on the left?

That just flew over my head. Care to explain?
Orgullosamente diletante.

Brian

#69
March 09, 2009, 08:58:36 PM
Quote from: tanuki on March 09, 2009, 05:01:24 PM
That just flew over my head. Care to explain?
Schubert died of syphilis.

nut-job

#70
March 10, 2009, 05:38:23 AM Last Edit: March 10, 2009, 06:54:20 AM by nut-job
Quote from: Brian on March 09, 2009, 08:58:36 PM
Schubert died of syphilis.
But not clear that it was from a prostitute.

Dancing Divertimentian

#71
March 10, 2009, 08:37:17 AM
Quote from: jlaurson on March 09, 2009, 01:08:24 PM
If you know the sway that Fischer-Dieskau held over DG executives*, you can imagine what position HvK was in.

[* Just two examples: DFD made DG throw away a completed studio Meistersinger with Kubelik...

This is one of those internet myths that seemingly won't go away.

Kubelik's Meistersinger wasn't a DG production. And it's not studio. It's a concert performance produced by Bavarian Radio to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the works premiere.

Bavarian Radio then approached DG about issuing the recording commercially but were turned down.

DFD might well have lobbied DG to pass on the recording (no proof yet) but even if this were so DG had nothing to loose in passing on it: they hadn't invested a penny in its production.
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

ChamberNut

#72
March 10, 2009, 09:50:26 AM
Beethoven & Schubert got together and collaborated on a few projects:

*Set of 6 sonatas for Viola and piano (Schubert was the viola player, I believe, when he, his father and brothers played some of his string quartets).

*Set of piano duets!

:)

Guido

#73
March 10, 2009, 10:41:54 AM
...Villa Lobos had completed his triple concerto for three cellos and orchestra for Fournier, Rostropovich and Piatigorsky.
Geologist.

The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away

ChamberNut

#74
March 10, 2009, 10:46:44 AM
Brahms had written a Clarinet Concerto...

MISHUGINA

#75
March 12, 2009, 04:54:34 AM
Quote from: Renfield on March 06, 2009, 05:53:25 PM
I actually think that he wanted to record this with either EMI or DG, but they wouldn't let him because it wasn't a mainstream work.

What Brian said regarding Ormandy. Karajan did release a LP set containing works from 2nd Viennese School including the "Father" of Serialism Anton Webern so to say he can't record a "non-mainstream" work is hogwash.

Renfield

#76
March 12, 2009, 06:54:57 PM Last Edit: March 12, 2009, 07:00:17 PM by Renfield
Quote from: MISHUGINA on March 12, 2009, 04:54:34 AM
What Brian said regarding Ormandy. Karajan did release a LP set containing works from 2nd Viennese School including the "Father" of Serialism Anton Webern so to say he can't record a "non-mainstream" work is hogwash.

Let me append to your second sentence: "on DG".

I am unsure about the Rachmaninov, but the justification for their (EMI) not letting him record the Shostakovich 8th was just that, I am almost certain. (I say "almost" because I would prefer not to have to search through the Osborne for the reference).

Lethevich

#77
March 12, 2009, 07:01:01 PM
What if Karajan recorded a Havergal Brian cycle $:)
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

Renfield

#78
March 12, 2009, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: Lethe on March 12, 2009, 07:01:01 PM
What if Karajan recorded a Havergal Brian cycle $:)

I can seriously "see" him doing the Gothic. :o

Dundonnell

#79
March 12, 2009, 07:40:50 PM
Both EMI and Decca used to record a good deal of obscure music by contemporary British composers. Some of it has resurfaced on other labels.

Quite a lot of the music released on cd by Lyrita over the last couple of years was originally issued on LP by that company on license from Decca(music by Alun Hoddinott, for example). Sadly in some cases the license has now expired and Decca wants far too much money to renew it. Lyrita hoped to reissue Sir Adrian Boult's pioneering account of Humphrey Searle's 1st Symphony and a Decca album of music by Robert Still but have had to abandon the idea-apparently because negotiations with Decca have broken down :(
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