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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12480 on: October 17, 2021, 09:11:37 AM »
That pretty much dismisses the entire period instrument and period performance cult in one fell swoop.

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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12481 on: October 17, 2021, 11:15:28 AM »
Back to what jlopes posted - there are a couple more BIS releases coming that I found info on, and some Naxos stuff:






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« Reply #12482 on: October 17, 2021, 11:17:30 AM »
That pretty much dismisses the entire period instrument and period performance cult in one fell swoop.

It does not. That movement would not have been so hugely successful, if 1970s-2020s audiences had not liked the results. It works very well as music making for people in the late 20th/early 21st century. This might not be the "official" justification (although many of its musicians have said it pretty much like that).
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« Reply #12483 on: October 17, 2021, 12:22:07 PM »
your posts, which are all listing new releases

Yes. This is called staying on topic. Or: trying to be helpful. I'm really grateful to Brian's, Todd's and everybody else's efforts to publish future releases. That's why I try to be helpful myself posting unpublished/unnoticed releases here. I've lost any interest in other GMG threads not because I can't stand the discussions, but because these discussions usually revolves around a matter of taste - HIP fans won't convince modern instruments fans and vice-versa. Ever. And they don't have to. HIP fans don't have to listen to any modern instruments recordings, modern instrument don't have to listen to any period recordings.

"So you don't accept the debate". No, I really don't. And I don't accept it because the kind of arguments used here are almost always aggressive, especially from HIP fans ("the only acceptable way", "the right way", "the real intentions" etc. and of course our recent, rude and unnecessary "anachronistic all the same"), although I'm not giving any opinions right now about this or that kind of instrument and not even saying which school I prefer (I'm sure no one is interested, as it should be, and I'm not interested in discussing that either). I avoid this kind of tiresome thing visiting only this GMG thread. Oh he is so immature. I see. Mature stuff is to attack a recording you don't think it should exist. Or an artist. At least I don't do this. If I'm not interested in a recording or an interpreter or a conductor I just ignore it/him/them. We have dozens and dozens of modern instruments new and old recordings, dozens and dozens of period performance new and old recordings. Some people enjoy both, some people don't. So yes, I choose to make use of the forum's Ignore List tool to avoid users who uses this kind of impolite, vitriolic rhetoric, even if I enjoy the same artists or recordings.

Now, there's a lot of GMG threads about this specific subject, right? And this thread aims to inform the members about future releases, right? Then I don't see why people should use this thread to discuss something they can - and should - discuss elsewhere. That's all. I'll keep visiting this thread because I'm really interested to know about future releases, but will refrain myself from posting. And you guys can ignore this post. Sorry for my awful English and have a nice week.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12484 on: October 17, 2021, 01:01:14 PM »

Sorry for my awful English and have a nice week.

Your English is perfect.
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« Reply #12485 on: October 17, 2021, 01:07:21 PM »
+ 1 to both his arguments and his English.

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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12486 on: October 17, 2021, 02:16:55 PM »
Back to what jlopes posted - there are a couple more BIS releases coming that I found info on, and some Naxos stuff:






The Petridis CD looks interesting. Never heard of him. I just sampled his 1st Symphony on You Tube which sounded really good.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12487 on: October 17, 2021, 03:07:25 PM »
Quote from: Florestan

Imnsho, this is the greatest canard in the whole history of music. Not only are the composer's intentions completely unknowable to anyone else than the composer himself, but oftenly they are not knowable even to the composer herself --- witness (among scores of other direct or indirect testimonies) Rachmaninoff's and Prokofiev's recoded significant departures from their own scores.

What exactly, then, do you think the point of a score is?

Again, I come back to the point: if you’re invoking a composer’s name, then you’re signalling you are not the source of the music.

Jazz doesn’t work this way of course, and neither does pop/rock to an extent. But that’s to a significant degree because they are forms that evolved when music was transmitted more by recordings rather than print. And they are also forms where the identity of a composer doesn’t get the same prominence.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12488 on: October 17, 2021, 03:10:25 PM »
Back to new releases… I might be interested in Naxos starting a series of Brahms songs.
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« Reply #12489 on: October 17, 2021, 03:39:50 PM »

.. and of course our recent, rude and unnecessary "anachronistic all the same"..

I didn't intend to be provocative, but just wondered about the purpose of using a piano, which is a hundred years old. One doesn't get closer to the baroque sound world for that reason.

In summary: So far she [Mejoueva] wants to play the French suites on piano, I don't understand, why a modern piano wasn't used instead.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12490 on: October 17, 2021, 05:32:30 PM »
Back to what jlopes posted - there are a couple more BIS releases coming that I found info on, and some Naxos stuff:




Trifonov gives an impressive performance of the Brahms Chaconne in his brand new release.
It will be interesting to see what another pianist can make of it.

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« Reply #12491 on: October 17, 2021, 06:22:18 PM »
The transcription by Brahms is magnificent and it is a pity that the pianists especially want to play the one by Busoni.
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I did not hear Trifonov ...
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« Reply #12492 on: October 17, 2021, 06:55:08 PM »

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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12493 on: October 17, 2021, 08:28:44 PM »
Back to what jlopes posted - there are a couple more BIS releases coming that I found info on, and some Naxos stuff:



Yes! I'll definitely be buying this one.
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« Reply #12494 on: October 17, 2021, 08:31:24 PM »
It’s better than yet another Beethoven/Brahms/Bruckner/Mahler recording, at least!

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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12495 on: October 17, 2021, 08:49:43 PM »
In summary: So far she [Mejoueva] wants to play the French suites on piano, I don't understand, why a modern piano wasn't used instead.

She always uses it, she travels around to give concerts with it, presumably it’s her piano and she likes it. I like it in fact, it’s a very good piano indeed.

She’s got a big following in Japan. I have heard some of her Bach - inventions. It is strong confident playing.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12496 on: October 17, 2021, 09:05:48 PM »


Bach on a modern chamber organ and viol. Intimate performances and the first track - a prelude - seems quite sympathetic actually. Booklet here

https://static.qobuz.com/goodies/85/000144358.pdf

Romina Lischka is someone I have heard before, in Demachy and Ferabosco. I don’t know if this Marnix de Cat is the ubiquitous singer of the same name.
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« Reply #12497 on: October 17, 2021, 09:54:59 PM »


Bach on a modern chamber organ and viol. Intimate performances and the first track - a prelude - seems quite sympathetic actually. Booklet here

https://static.qobuz.com/goodies/85/000144358.pdf

Romina Lischka is someone I have heard before, in Demachy and Ferabosco. I don’t know if this Marnix de Cat is the ubiquitous singer of the same name.

I saw this too, not a modern chamber organ but a real church organ!

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« Reply #12498 on: October 17, 2021, 10:35:11 PM »
This sounds very good indeed. And I think it's a nice piece of music. You can hear it on bandcamp.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12499 on: October 17, 2021, 10:37:11 PM »
In summary: So far she [Mejoueva] wants to play the French suites on piano, I don't understand, why a modern piano wasn't used instead.

It's odd, but those earlier Steinways do sound pretty.  :)