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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12800 on: November 23, 2021, 08:40:47 AM »
Dang, that's harsh!
Oh, please. I'm sure she knows she's not half as good as Martha Argerich;)

...although Louis Lortie, Alfred Brendel, and Lazar Berman...

All three of them are better artists than her, in my view; and, since you mentioned him, I do feel that Louis Lortie is quite underrated. I never found Hewitt's praised-to-the-heavens-by-the-British-media recordings anywhere as good or inspired as some British reviewers would have us believe. Her Bach is rather mundane and her Beethoven unremarkable - I have several of her recordings and started getting her Beethoven sonatas CD's when she first started recording them, but I always felt the results were rather laboured and uninteresting.

Unnecessary roughness. Yellow card!

You are kinder than most and that's to your credit, my friend, but here in Greece we are not in the business of letting hubristic behaviour slide when we see it.  ;) ;D

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« Reply #12801 on: November 23, 2021, 08:51:28 AM »
They will probably be able to sell the four "superfluous" pianos to some "lesser" pianists. The label "rejected by Angela Hewitt" may even to some act as a recommendation.

Indeed.

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« Reply #12802 on: November 23, 2021, 09:30:18 AM »

All three of them are better artists than her, in my view; and, since you mentioned him, I do feel that Louis Lortie is quite underrated. I never found Hewitt's praised-to-the-heavens-by-the-British-media recordings anywhere as good or inspired as some British reviewers would have us believe. Her Bach is rather mundane and her Beethoven unremarkable ...

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« Reply #12803 on: November 23, 2021, 09:36:44 AM »
I very much admire Lortie.
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« Reply #12804 on: November 23, 2021, 10:37:51 AM »


Rerelease of this

https://www.discogs.com/release/12165146-Chopin-Eric-Heidsieck-Intégrale-25-Préludes-

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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12805 on: November 23, 2021, 11:10:54 AM »


Rerelease of this

https://www.discogs.com/release/12165146-Chopin-Eric-Heidsieck-Intégrale-25-Préludes-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/h0sCcgaXbug" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/h0sCcgaXbug</a>

Thanks, wishlisted.
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« Reply #12806 on: November 23, 2021, 11:21:39 AM »
Thanks, wishlisted.

It's very good I think. I don't listen to the preludes enough.
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« Reply #12807 on: November 23, 2021, 12:19:03 PM »
I do feel that Louis Lortie is quite underrated.

His new Saint-Saens cycle is the benchmark version, in my opinion, and his Faure recitals have been very good.

My favorite Hewitt CD so far is her Chabrier recital.

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« Reply #12808 on: November 23, 2021, 12:41:05 PM »
It's very good I think. I don't listen to the preludes enough.

Just the other day the thought occured to me that I could listen to nothing but Chopin all day long, 24/7, and never get bored.

No, seriously, I eagerly explore the piano music of this or that lesser-known/unknown/unsung composer and every time I feel dissatisfied and frustrated (which is most of the time, honestly), I play some Chopin and lo and behold! I feel like coming home. Like a glass or two of good red wine in the armchair beside the fireplace and a warm blanket afterwards --- all that, after walking all day long on muddy roads during heavy rain.

You can read French, please tell me what do you make of this:

Chopin, mer de soupirs, de larmes, de sanglots
Q’un vol de papillons sans se poser traverse
Jouant sur la tristesse ou dansant sur les flots.
Reve, aime, souffre, crie, apaise, charme ou berce,

Toujours tu fais courir entre chaque douleur
L’oubli vertigineux et doux de ton caprice
Comme les papillons volent de fleur en fleur;
De ton chagrin alors ta joie est la complice:

L’ardeur du tourbillon accroit la soif des pleurs.
De la lune et des eaux pale et doux camarade,
Prince du desespoir ou grand seigneur trahi,

Tu t’exaltes encore, plus beau d’etre pali,
Du soleil inondant ta chambre de malade
Qui pleure a lui sourire et souffre de le voir…

Sourire du regret et larmes de l’Espoir!

--- Marcel Proust





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« Reply #12809 on: November 23, 2021, 01:46:46 PM »
I very much admire Lortie.

Well Brendel is a better artist than anyone else listed (other than of course the divine Ms Argerich) in this discussion, but I happen to think Ms. Hewitt is one of the best Bach pianists around, and her French recordings are relatively good (the Chabrier might indeed be best of that group). OTOH there's nothing very distinctive about her Beethoven and her Schumann CD was positively dreary.

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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12810 on: November 23, 2021, 02:14:25 PM »
Well Brendel is a better artist than anyone else listed (other than of course the divine Ms Argerich) in this discussion, but I happen to think Ms. Hewitt is one of the best Bach pianists around, and her French recordings are relatively good (the Chabrier might indeed be best of that group). OTOH there's nothing very distinctive about her Beethoven and her Schumann CD was positively dreary.

Thanks for this, I'm unsure when last I read something positive about Ms. H.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12811 on: November 23, 2021, 02:27:07 PM »
Just the other day the thought occured to me that I could listen to nothing but Chopin all day long, 24/7, and never get bored.

No, seriously, I eagerly explore the piano music of this or that lesser-known/unknown/unsung composer and every time I feel dissatisfied and frustrated (which is most of the time, honestly), I play some Chopin and lo and behold! I feel like coming home. Like a glass or two of good red wine in the armchair beside the fireplace and a warm blanket afterwards --- all that, after walking all day long on muddy roads during heavy rain.

You can read French, please tell me what do you make of this:

Chopin, mer de soupirs, de larmes, de sanglots
Q’un vol de papillons sans se poser traverse
Jouant sur la tristesse ou dansant sur les flots.
Reve, aime, souffre, crie, apaise, charme ou berce,

Toujours tu fais courir entre chaque douleur
L’oubli vertigineux et doux de ton caprice
Comme les papillons volent de fleur en fleur;
De ton chagrin alors ta joie est la complice:

L’ardeur du tourbillon accroit la soif des pleurs.
De la lune et des eaux pale et doux camarade,
Prince du desespoir ou grand seigneur trahi,

Tu t’exaltes encore, plus beau d’etre pali,
Du soleil inondant ta chambre de malade
Qui pleure a lui sourire et souffre de le voir…

Sourire du regret et larmes de l’Espoir!

--- Marcel Proust



Very nice, I like de la lune et des eaux pales camarade. Proust certainly liked that image of insects going from plant to plant - remember the start of Sodome et Gomorrhe, there’s a similar image, when Marcel looks down from the window of his room to see Jupien up to all sorts of unnamable things with Charlus. Presumably he felt a certain sympathy for Chopin in the chambre de malade - though if I remember right Proust didn’t let the sun come into his (I could well be wrong about that.)
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12812 on: November 23, 2021, 06:09:35 PM »
Dang, that's harsh!


And not really relevant.  Hewitt's rejections will sell easily enough.  They were purpose/custom built, etc.  I mean, come on, let's look at the market for these pianos.
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« Reply #12813 on: November 24, 2021, 06:54:08 AM »
When the news first broke ( :P) of her piano being destroyed it swept the non-classical world as well; our PA asked me if I heard about it and she doesn't listen to classical. In that article the founder of Fazioli said he'd never build another four pedal given the difficulty. Interesting to see him going from never to we'll build five.

Off the top of my head I don't think I can recall any recordings I have where they specifically say recorded on a Fazioli though I have discs from some others on Fazioli's artist page. The Boris Giltburg Beethoven cycle highlights for me just how good they can sound but I don't think they're any better or worse than Steinway, it's nice to have some variety. The best sounding piano I've heard live was one of Mechanics Hall's full size Bosendorfers.
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« Reply #12814 on: November 24, 2021, 11:15:29 AM »


On the basis of listening for 10 minutes, this is the Bartok cycle we’ve all always wanted.
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« Reply #12815 on: November 24, 2021, 11:26:45 AM »
Also February will bring the end to Angela Hewitt's Beethoven cycle...



Op 111
10:09 (!)
21:04 (!!!)

Disappointing but not, I guess, very surprising. At least it won't be as bad as Anatol Ugorski.

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« Reply #12816 on: November 24, 2021, 01:16:53 PM »
Thanks for this, I'm unsure when last I read something positive about Ms. H.

If you've read my posts you've read many positive things about Angela Hewitt. I derive a great deal of enjoyment from her Bach series, the Goldberg Various and WTC especially, and found her recordings of Ravel and Faure to be superb, bringing out internal counterpoint in music which is often played in a more atmospheric manner.


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« Reply #12817 on: November 24, 2021, 01:34:37 PM »


A rerelease of this

https://www.discogs.com/release/1202517-Frédéric-Chopin-Fou-TsOng-1810-1849-Préludes-Op-28-45-Posth

 - available everywhere and of course, including YouTube

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Such wonderful music!

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« Reply #12818 on: November 24, 2021, 01:39:23 PM »
If you've read my posts you've read many positive things about Angela Hewitt. I derive a great deal of enjoyment from her Bach series, the Goldberg Various and WTC especially, and found her recordings of Ravel and Faure to be superb, bringing out internal counterpoint in music which is often played in a more atmospheric manner.

The one that sticks in my mind as being interesting is Davidsbundlertänze. The way she manages the contrast between Florestan and Eusebius made me think of rock and roll dancing where the man is relatively still and the woman pirouettes around him. Long time since I heard it, so the above may be utter crap.

(Listening now - what I said is utter crap of course - but no matter, the performance is really excellent)
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12819 on: November 24, 2021, 01:55:59 PM »


On the basis of listening for 10 minutes, this is the Bartok cycle we’ve all always wanted.

I'll be giving this a listen tomorrow. From what I've sampled, the Ragazze Quartet have a fine sound.
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