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Quote from: Florestan on June 29, 2023, 12:40:48 AM...that historical evidence for a practice is not necessarily a reason for its revival.
Quote from: Florestan on June 29, 2023, 01:10:54 AMAnd given that Beethoven himself was at the forefront of such technological changes,
Quote from: DavidW on June 29, 2023, 07:29:27 AMI feel like that is the first time I've seen you say something nice about Beethoven!
Quote from: Spotted Horses on June 29, 2023, 07:52:33 AMIt seems to me that arguing against the harpsichord because it is a supposedly inferior technology misses the point. It has its unique capabilities and sonorities. I think a performer is free to do anything that facilitates enjoyment and insight into the music. That can mean using the period instrument, or using a modern instrument. It is clear to me that in many cases the composer was writing to take advantage of the very specific characteristics of the harpsichord. When listening to the WTC it seems to me that many of the preludes take advantage of the sonorities of the harpsichord and are not effective on modern piano. For the fugues I typically find that I appreciate them better on a modern piano, since they are closer to being abstract counterpoint that can be rendered on any instrument. You could say that Bach would have loved the modern piano, but I think he would have written different music for it.
Quote from: Atriod on June 29, 2023, 04:51:51 PMedit: I'm using the width=450 in the tag like on the old forum software, using that you could click on the image to make it fullsize but it's not doing it on this new software?
Quote from: Atriod on June 29, 2023, 03:03:42 PMThe pianoforte was objectively superior to the fortepiano.
Quote from: Atriod on June 29, 2023, 03:03:42 PMthe tonal color of the harpsichord can be peerless in keyboard instruments.
Quote from: Atriod on June 29, 2023, 04:51:51 PMLubimov also does it in this box:
Quote from: Madiel on June 29, 2023, 07:48:18 PMExcept that Andras Schiff and others argue quite strongly that many pieces in WTC were not written for harpsichord at all, but for other keyboard instruments.Which means that if you're going to follow this logic, you would be playing several different keyboards. A harpsichord would only be "correct" for some of them.
Quote from: Madiel on June 29, 2023, 07:48:18 PMExcept that Andras Schiff and others argue quite strongly that many pieces in WTC were not written for harpsichord at all, but for other keyboard instruments.
Quote from: Brian on June 28, 2023, 06:56:52 AM
Quote from: Atriod on June 29, 2023, 03:03:42 PMMuch to agree with. The only thing the harpsichord shares in common with clavichord, fortepiano, and pianoforte was being in a line of succession. Otherwise it's a radically different instrument from one where the string is struck. And dynamic range should not be the only objective qualifier as to what makes an instrument superior or not, the tonal color of the harpsichord can be peerless in keyboard instruments. The pianoforte was objectively superior to the fortepiano. I've demonstrated this to musical lay people - play them harpsichord, classical guitar, and piano and ask them what the first one sounds closest to. Play the music on the instruments the composers wrote it for. There is a reason there aren't that many fortepiano recordings compared to modern concert grands for music composed during the era of fortepiano but there is an avalanche of harpsichord recordings in music composed for... harpsichord.
Quote from: Traverso on June 30, 2023, 12:35:13 PMI hope that some day there will be a real good recording and performance of the early sonatas from Beethoven.One has to get rid of one's old skin, it doesn't have to lead necessarily to a "Hammerschidt" exercise.Another appeal is essential for the artist to deliver a convincing argument uncontaminated by the many often bombastic interpretations on the piano.The Harpsichord is certainly not an inferior instrument compared to the "Black Monster) One has to accept it on it's own merits,well depending on the discovery of it's values wich is a personal thing or as I would say handycap for some.....
Quote from: Florestan on June 30, 2023, 12:56:51 PMDisentangling Beethoven from his image as The Titan, engaged in heroic struggles against all odds and against whomever and whatever, is a titanic task (pun).
Quote from: Traverso on June 30, 2023, 01:18:42 PMwhat I wanted to emphasize is a plea to separate the meaning of these works from the inseparable obviousness that leads to a hunger for the black beast.
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