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madaboutmahler

Quote from: karlhenning on April 02, 2012, 04:34:38 AM
okwithmahler! I like it!

::)

Concerning Norrington's Mahler recordings... I haven't heard any of them yet. Although I am rather interested to, even if I am rather shocked by the fact that Norrington's M9 adagio appears to be nearly 10 minutes shorter than another other recording!  :o
"Music is ... A higher revelation than all Wisdom & Philosophy"
— Ludwig van Beethoven

Lisztianwagner

Quote from: madaboutmahler on April 02, 2012, 04:41:13 AM
Norrington's M9 adagio appears to be nearly 10 minutes shorter than another other recording!  :o

Almost ten minutes shorter? It must be one of the fastest 4th movements ever recorded! :o I wonder what it is like.....
"Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire." - Gustav Mahler

Karl Henning

But, if he makes it work . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

madaboutmahler

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on April 02, 2012, 04:58:35 AM
Almost ten minutes shorter? It must be one of the fastest 4th movements ever recorded! :o I wonder what it is like.....

Certainly is hard to believe! I looked on amazon at the timings, and it said the last movement came to just over 19 minutes... was quite a shock! I do wonder also what it is like though....
"Music is ... A higher revelation than all Wisdom & Philosophy"
— Ludwig van Beethoven

TheGSMoeller

I've mentioned this before here, but I prefer a swifter fourth movement from the 9th, to me it creates a feeling of hope rather than brooding despair, I find some lines getting lost in slower paced performances, Boulez and Norrington offer the swiftest I've heard an those are two I listen to the most.

The new erato

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on April 02, 2012, 05:17:33 AM
I've mentioned this before here, but I prefer a swifter fourth movement from the 9th, to me it creates a feeling of hope rather than brooding despair, I find some lines getting lost in slower paced performances, Boulez and Norrington offer the swiftest I've heard an those are two I listen to the most.
A friend of mine to whom I played this movement in a Karajan version, referred to it as "please kill me" music.

Karl Henning

Ah, the classic Von Karajan Effect. I perceived that in a CD of Mozart once, which I left at a toxic disposal station.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Lethevich

Quote from: jlaurson on April 02, 2012, 04:14:54 AM
What do you so dislike about Norrington? That he has a shtick (non vibrato) and that he rides that home, ad nauseam?
I've heard terrible concerts with him, where he tried to bring that approach to an orchestra that simply didn't know what to do with it, or how. (Bruckner 4th with the NSO, like I'd never want to hear again.) But with his orchestra, he achieved some really memorable things. They figured it out eventually and pulled along most admirably. And their playing is all the better for it, I'd reckon.  Especially some of his last recordings, Bruckner 6th, Mahler 9th, are simply superb.
I'm particularly interested if the orchestra can or will keep some of its now unique abilities under Deneve or if he just flips the perma-sumptuousness on again.

His Mendelssohn is super too, although a lot don't seem to agree with this view.
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Lethevich on April 02, 2012, 05:29:20 AM
His Mendelssohn is super too, although a lot don't seem to agree with this view.

I've not heard his Mendelssohn, but I can certainly see this.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

madaboutmahler

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on April 02, 2012, 05:17:33 AM
I've mentioned this before here, but I prefer a swifter fourth movement from the 9th, to me it creates a feeling of hope rather than brooding despair, I find some lines getting lost in slower paced performances, Boulez and Norrington offer the swiftest I've heard an those are two I listen to the most.

Well, I am certainly curious to hear it!
"Music is ... A higher revelation than all Wisdom & Philosophy"
— Ludwig van Beethoven

TheGSMoeller

Quote from: Lethevich on April 02, 2012, 05:29:20 AM
His Mendelssohn is super too, although a lot don't seem to agree with this view.

Also, Norrington's Berlioz Requiem SACD with SWR is phenomenal, was recorded live from a single performance, the Angus Dei from this disc is heavenly.

Opus106

Quote from: madaboutmahler on April 02, 2012, 05:38:36 AM
Well, I am certainly curious to hear it!

You can watch and listen to the whole Proms performance on YouTube. Not the best recording to consider, though, if you're audiophilic.
Regards,
Navneeth

madaboutmahler

Quote from: Opus106 on April 02, 2012, 05:47:36 AM
You can watch and listen to the whole Proms performance on YouTube. Not the best recording to consider, though, if you're audiophilic.

Thank you for this Navneeth. I did watch the Rondo from this performance, which was excellent. Shall make sure to take a listen to the other movements soon.
"Music is ... A higher revelation than all Wisdom & Philosophy"
— Ludwig van Beethoven

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: The new erato on April 02, 2012, 05:20:22 AM
A friend of mine to whom I played this movement in a Karajan version, referred to it as "please kill me" music.

Quote from: karlhenning on April 02, 2012, 05:28:55 AM
Ah, the classic Von Karajan Effect

Well, Karajan's M9 is to die for  ;D

Seriously, it's my favorite version.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Mirror Image on April 01, 2012, 08:40:48 PM
I really dislike Norrington and I'm glad he's leaving.

I'm sorry to see him go. His Stuttgart recordings of Bruckner, Mahler, Haydn, Beethoven, Mendelssohn are some of the most thrilling music making I've heard this century.

Sarge 
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Karl Henning

Yeah, but he doesn't do Koechlin or Tippett, so what use is he, Sarge? ; )
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

madaboutmahler

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 02, 2012, 05:57:32 AM
Well, Karajan's M9 is to die for  ;D

Seriously, it's my favorite version.

Sarge

+1!
"Music is ... A higher revelation than all Wisdom & Philosophy"
— Ludwig van Beethoven

Sergeant Rock

#517
Quote from: karlhenning on April 02, 2012, 06:03:36 AM
Yeah, but he doesn't do Koechlin or Tippett, so what use is he, Sarge? ; )

Those're just MI's flavor of the month (and last month). Give me the true classics  ;)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Karl Henning

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 02, 2012, 05:57:32 AM
Well, Karajan's M9 is to die for  ;D

Seriously, it's my favorite version.

Sarge

Is that the live version I've got in the box, Sarge? September 1982.

Still need to cue that baby up . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 02, 2012, 06:08:02 AM
Aw, those're just MI's flavor of the month (and last month). Give me the true classics  ;)

Sarge

I really like the samples of the Norrington Haydn set (the Salonika symphonies) . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot