Rihm's Wolf Gang

[snyprrr]

Oh, silly me. I have and love the CPO disc, but lazily assumed the new one offered something different -_-

Can you break it down for me? What's Rihm's work like in this combination? I don't recall him working much with the cello in a chamber setting? Isn't there also am old Wergo release that has Kolchis, Dritte Musik, etc.,...?

How many Violin Concertos does Rihm have, anyhow?

[Lethevich]

Can you break it down for me? What's Rihm's work like in this combination? I don't recall him working much with the cello in a chamber setting? Isn't there also am old Wergo release that has Kolchis, Dritte Musik, etc.,...?

How many Violin Concertos does Rihm have, anyhow?

He has a lot of string trio/piano trio-based works involving cello (although with this composer you need a PHd to work out what there is). Musik für drei Streicher (recorded at least twice on Kairos and CPO) stands out due to its duration - enough to not require a coupling on disc.

There are at least 3 VCs, Gesungene Zeit, Dritte Musik (I know it  from Hänssler not Wergo) and Lichtzwang (Hänssler). I haven't heard the new Mutter disc - doesn't that have some other ones?

I finally actually checked the tracklistrings (a considerable effort for somebody as evidently lazy as myself):

CPO disc:
Phantom und Eskapade
Antlitz
Violin Sonata
Hekton

MDG disc:
Phantom und Eskapade
Antlitz
Nachstudie

The interesting thing is that I don't recall the CPO disc being all that long? About 45 mins or something? So either the MDG is tiny or the Nachstudie is enormous. I recall the CPO disc being... fairly typical Rihm, really. I am unsure whether I would consider the works average or special because I LOVE violin sonatas so I can't really be ojective. It's just my Rihm in my favourite form, delivering what I want to hear.

[not edward]

He has a lot of string trio/piano trio-based works involving cello (although with this composer you need a PHd to work out what there is). Musik für drei Streicher (recorded at least twice on Kairos and CPO) stands out due to its duration - enough to not require a coupling on disc.

There are at least 3 VCs, Gesungene Zeit, Dritte Musik (I know it  from Hänssler not Wergo) and Lichtzwang (Hänssler). I haven't heard the new Mutter disc - doesn't that have some other ones?

Lichtes Spiel is the one VC on that disc, and I'd say the strongest of Rihm's works thus far for that combination.

The interesting thing is that I don't recall the CPO disc being all that long? About 45 mins or something? So either the MDG is tiny or the Nachstudie is enormous. I recall the CPO disc being... fairly typical Rihm, really. I am unsure whether I would consider the works average or special because I LOVE violin sonatas so I can't really be ojective. It's just my Rihm in my favourite form, delivering what I want to hear.

Nachstudie is for solo piano, and if I recall correctly, just shy of 30 minutes. It's a further development of the material used in the piano concerto sphere: interesting stuff that plays very much with the resonance of the piano body, but I would regard it as less compelling than its source concerto (which I think of as one of Rihm's strongest works).

[Lethevich]

Oh, I see - thank you. The MDG disc doesn't look particularly useful :\

Btw, thank you for the pointers for those stronger pieces. With the composer it can be a pain to sort through and after a while I blank and just enjoy everything equally for being in some general "Rihm-y" style. I'm so lazy

[snyprrr]

Can we all now be thankful that I didn't name this Thread the 'Rihm Job'?

[snyprrr]

I was looking over the Morphonie, and Sub-Kontur & Dis-Kontur. Does anyone have a preference on the latter two pieces, Hanssler, or ColLegno?

Besides that concertos disc, this would seem to be the way to go to start? Looks that way,... haha, let's just mark them off the list!

[snyprrr]

I was looking over the Morphonie, and Sub-Kontur & Dis-Kontur. Does anyone have a preference on the latter two pieces, Hanssler, or ColLegno?

Besides that concertos disc, this would seem to be the way to go to start? Looks that way,... haha, let's just mark them off the list!

I am definitely on the verge of a Rihm-a-thon. What should be my FIRST orchestral disc? (all I have is the old Mutter, and the very first Abbado disc with Depart)

Morphonie 2cd(Hannsler)
Dis/Sub-Kontur (Hanssler)
Dis/Sub-Kontur (ColLegno)
concertos disc (Hanssler)

I guess I'm leaning towards the Morphonie and the ColLegno. What say you?

[not edward]

Just released, this neat meditation for Cello and Chamber Orchestra, Konzert in Einem Satz. It is performed by Tanja Tetzlaff, who is the sister of the violinist Christian Tetzlaff. And at first you might think it is played by Christian, as the Cello is kept on a rather high pitch. A recording of the world premiere, too - it is not yet known if people like Truls Mork wiill give us seconds. They should. The piece is paired with a composition by Ernst Toch (1887-1964); I'll let the initiates figure out si c'est du toc. Ha ha.

And as a perhaps rather unexpected note, the often high-floating solo line with its object lessons in clarity reflect the nature of the commission: a work designed for Stephen Isserlis' cello style, and reflecting his and Rihm's shared love of Schumann's music.

[petrarch]

I am definitely on the verge of a Rihm-a-thon. What should be my FIRST orchestral disc? (all I have is the old Mutter, and the very first Abbado disc with Depart)

Morphonie 2cd(Hannsler)
Dis/Sub-Kontur (Hanssler)
Dis/Sub-Kontur (ColLegno)
concertos disc (Hanssler)

I guess I'm leaning towards the Morphonie and the ColLegno. What say you?

Well, I have all of the above. I would say you can't go wrong with the Hanssler. My first on that series was the Morphonie/Klangbeschreibung, which is worthy of many many repeated listenings. I haven't yet dug into the Col Legno.

[snyprrr]

Well, I have all of the above. I would say you can't go wrong with the Hanssler. My first on that series was the Morphonie/Klangbeschreibung, which is worthy of many many repeated listenings. I haven't yet dug into the Col Legno.

As I'm pouring over Amazon, I'm finding the timings of Rihm's pieces daunting. Single tracks lasting 30-40mins. almost give me Pettersson-itis, haha. (I'll say I don't mind long music, but I looove when the company cuts the movement into pieces for ease of consumption!)

Rihm's discography can be kind of maddening! So much...

Thanks! haha

[snyprrr]

Well, I have all of the above. I would say you can't go wrong with the Hanssler. My first on that series was the Morphonie/Klangbeschreibung, which is worthy of many many repeated listenings. I haven't yet dug into the Col Legno.

I'm afraid I haven't made any headway in getting a new Rihm cd. Through my samples listening, I happened upon the Verwandlungen. The review claims this is more in Rihm's neo-Viennese vein, and the reviewer hints at a little disappoinment in Rihm's apparent conservatism here. But I think I could use a break from all the angst, and these pieces might be just what I need.

Do you (anyone) have them? Are they like ghostly Viennese recollections, mellower than Rihm's usual,... perhaps like a less sarcastic Schnittke? I could really use some creepy neo-Romantic Viennese corpse music.

[petrarch]

Do you (anyone) have them? Are they like ghostly Viennese recollections, mellower than Rihm's usual,... perhaps like a less sarcastic Schnittke? I could really use some creepy neo-Romantic Viennese corpse music.

See here: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,11597.msg523338.html#msg523338

[snyprrr]

See here: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,11597.msg523338.html#msg523338

The first and second Verwandlung are mellower, less dramatic than the third & fourth; they are conducted by Christian Arming, who may be a mellower conductor than Matthias Pintscher, who conducts the latter two. If the first two weren't so rich in sound and imagination, superficial listeners would tag them as minimalists. Both develop organically, like living creatures. There is a climax near the end of Verwandlungen I that Rihm attains throuh remarkably simple means: percussion, percussion reduced to what could be simple drums  As always with Rihm you never know for sure if he uses occasional returns to tonality, to enrich atonality, or if he uses atonal means, for purposes of creating a superior tonality. But you can be sure he is one of the few among the still (not for long  ) younger composers who produce consistently pleasing work.

Though there are passing reminiscences in all these pieces, they are brief, well-transformed into something that is distinctive Rihm, & hard to spot if you do not give this music careful attention.

Thanks guys.

Hey! Have you seen Rihm's new Catalogue at the Universal Editions site? 108 pages

[snyprrr]

I'm just the kind of person to go along with such a cockeyed notion!

[CRCulver]

When was the Sonata for Violin and Piano on this disc composed? It doesn't appear to be listed in Universal Edition's catalogue of Rihm's works, so I'm thinking this is some very early effort, but it would be good to know the exact year.

[not edward]

When was the Sonata for Violin and Piano on this disc composed? It doesn't appear to be listed in Universal Edition's catalogue of Rihm's works, so I'm thinking this is some very early effort, but it would be good to know the exact year.

1969, though if I remember correctly it was revised and retitled Eine Violinsonate in the mid-1970s.

[UB]

On Thursday March 22 at 3:00 p.m. Eastern German Radio is doing a 2 1/2 hour program of Rihm's music to celebrate his 60th birth  year. It looks like all the recordings are from live concerts with some going back as much 27 years. You can hear it on SR2. Or set your recorder and enjoy it anytime.

[snyprrr]

Hanssler's New Rihm Edition!!:

http://www.amazon.com/Uber-die-Linie-II-CollArco/dp/B006ZV6XB8/ref=sr_1_37?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1332729669&sr=1-37

The Widmanns playing yet MORE concertos for clarinet and violin! What's that?,... 'Fifth Music'? for Violin & Orchestra?,haha.

You bet after this release we're having a Rihm concerto-off!


I just accidentally ordered the 'Morphonie' disc; will report, though,... it's an accident because I've already set up so many expectations,... I mean, these are longer works... well, anyway, it made sense at the time. I just wasn't trying to get a Rihm-bug seeing his discography is only going to expand.

Has anyone got a grip on breaking down Rihm's stylistic periods? We're starting to get a lot more current material, when I'm pretty well stuck in the early eighties with Rihm,... and then there is an interesting period surrounding a bunch of works later, including the infamous 'Nono Period', haha, which I have yet to sample (CRCulver mentions a CPO disc negatively here).

I was so taken by the Dusapin discs, and thankful that there were only two, and now, here is Rihm, scrappy, and proliferating all over the place, infecting so many levels of interest, how CAN one resist such temptation?

[not edward]

http://www.amazon.com/Uber-die-Linie-II-CollArco/dp/B006ZV6XB8/ref=sr_1_37?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1332729669&sr=1-37

Programming-wise, that's a bit of a bummer. Short playing time, and the Uber die Linie II is the same recording as on

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I remember it as being one of Rihm's weaker compositions and one of his earlier works in the more mellow style that seems to predominate now. The long melodic line for clarinet was rather less striking than I'd hoped--though Jorg Widmann plays it superbly--and the orchestral accompaniment did often feel a bit dutiful. I should bring it back out some time to see my impression of the work has improved in its absence.

[snyprrr]

Programming-wise, that's a bit of a bummer. Short playing time, and the Uber die Linie II is the same recording as on

[asin]B00005LAHJ[/asin]

I remember it as being one of Rihm's weaker compositions and one of his earlier works in the more mellow style that seems to predominate now. The long melodic line for clarinet was rather less striking than I'd hoped--though Jorg Widmann plays it superbly--and the orchestral accompaniment did often feel a bit dutiful. I should bring it back out some time to see my impression of the work has improved in its absence.

arrgh!