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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2012, 10:47:54 AM »
I've pretty much heard all of Nono's legacy. Nono certainly wasn't 'equally at home' as composer Julian Anderson is meaning .. certainly not to the extent, success, consistency & depth of Harvey's legacy at all.. who, while being one of the masters within electronic media .. also has a body of works for church choir which are in the repertoire and in daily liturgical use. So that fluent versatility in composing for a wide range of media, all the way from the cathedral to the electronic studio and back and sometimes both at once (i.e. Mortuos Plango, as one example), while always retaining his integrity, retaining his personality, being himself .. not compromising.

I understood exactly what Anderson was saying and I admit, I was baiting to elicit that kind of response, especially with "Nono" and "cathedral" in the same sentence :). Looks like your understanding of Nono isn't as deep as you think it is.
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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2012, 10:55:37 AM »
Does Nono have a body of liturgical work to match Harvey?

Haven't you heard all of Nono's legacy? Unless we have different definitions of legacy.
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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2012, 11:05:08 AM »

Most of it, and baiting & childish internet games aside .. the serious answer to my question is simply no.


Indeed it is no; my point was very simply that just asking the question suggests a lack of understanding of Nono.

But we're on a Harvey thread. As I said elsewhere, I truly wish he was more italian and less british.
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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2014, 05:08:56 PM »
I'm not sure if all these works have been mentioned ~

Towards a Pure Land (2005)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyz5RQmX-Bg

Sringara Chaconne (2008)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcm_61UdM08

Death of Light / Light of Death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SCdIT-BTwA

Advaya for cello and electronics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oUSgXGbuHU

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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2016, 11:22:47 PM »
I listened to the second quartet (1988) in the Arditti box. The form seems simple: two styles of music battle it out.

Calm, consoling and possibly tonal music (like Szymanowski maybe) emerges out of aggressive and unsettled, tonally ambiguous, polyphonically complex, music (like Ferneyhough maybe.) What is Harvey saying about the world here? That, contrary to initial appearances, God has not totally disappeared?

At the end there is a synthesis between the turbulent/complex style music and the consoling/spiritual/complex style music. It is very very interesting.

I also listened to the cello concerto (1990), but less closely. Similar things seem to be going on.
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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2016, 01:26:21 AM »
I have just found this thread. The only work of his that I own is his wonderful Guitar Concerto....





A lot more to explore here obviously.
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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2016, 01:40:09 AM »
I have just found this thread. The only work of his that I own is his wonderful Guitar Concerto....





A lot more to explore here obviously.
That one is by another Harvey (Richard, not Jonathan). Don't expect anything like this Concerto antico in Jonathan's output  ;).

So you get an idea, this is one of Jonathan's most celebrated pieces:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/6UJ2RXIEXa4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/6UJ2RXIEXa4</a>
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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2016, 02:47:03 AM »
That one is by another Harvey (Richard, not Jonathan). Don't expect anything like this Concerto antico in Jonathan output  ;).

So you get an idea, this is one of Jonathan's most celebrated pieces:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/6UJ2RXIEXa4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/6UJ2RXIEXa4</a>

Oh dear, what an error.  :-[
Thank you for being very gracious and I appreciate the clip  :)
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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2016, 09:35:47 AM »
Oh dear, what an error.  :-[
Thank you for being very gracious and I appreciate the clip  :)

hate when that happens :laugh:..

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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2016, 12:45:54 AM »
hate when that happens :laugh:..

Yep, call it a senior moment.... :-[  ;D
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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2017, 02:41:37 AM »
I love Harvey's work, it's distinctively him but there are an array of influences or different elements, of which I love 
'picked up the scores for Bhakti and Valley Of Aosta at the Library (I know, I can't stop getting stuff out  :P ), such marvelous works.

He's a composer I can safely say I Love but aren't as well acquainted yet, as I'd hope  :)

That opera about Buddha really hard, is it kitsch?  I find it cringeworthy. I remember Bhakti's OK.
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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2019, 12:57:05 PM »
Not much to say, other than this is an underrated composer. Just heard Speakings—it's quiet accessible music, and I have no idea why Harvey's works aren't more popular.

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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2019, 01:43:29 PM »


I like the works on this disc very much:



And then I have this, which I don’t like as much (electronics do nothing for me):


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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2019, 02:03:22 PM »
I listened to the second quartet (1988) in the Arditti box. The form seems simple: two styles of music battle it out.

Calm, consoling and possibly tonal music (like Szymanowski maybe) emerges out of aggressive and unsettled, tonally ambiguous, polyphonically complex, music (like Ferneyhough maybe.) What is Harvey saying about the world here? That, contrary to initial appearances, God has not totally disappeared?

At the end there is a synthesis between the turbulent/complex style music and the consoling/spiritual/complex style music. It is very very interesting.

I also listened to the cello concerto (1990), but less closely. Similar things seem to be going on.

What a lovely thing the 2nd quartet is! A happy discovery for me today! I like your description, and what an elegantly and vividly crafted piece it is. I've heard some JH before but it didn't really register with much impact. Maybe his time has come for me, will revisit with whetted appetite!

Many thanks to schnittkease for reviving the thread!

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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2020, 08:45:15 AM »
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/ZmCBDNT5KP8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/ZmCBDNT5KP8</a>

Very much enjoying Nachtlied, settings of three poems including the one everyone knows by Goethe.  What it shows, I think, is that at this time of his life at least, Harvey was a great melodist.
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Re: Jonathan Harvey (1939-2012)
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2020, 08:46:01 AM »
What a lovely thing the 2nd quartet is!

And the 1st, which I listened to this morning with great pleasure.
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