Prokofiev's Piano Music

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George

Quote from: karlhenning on November 28, 2012, 06:39:45 AM
(* Jeevesian cough *) Perhaps, if I might suggest one possible substitute, sir:



A diabolic suggestion, karl.
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Brahmsian

Quote from: admiralackbar on November 27, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
Ok. So, I've got Raekallio.


The Raekallio includes most of Prokofiev's major works for solo piano, but not "Diabolique Suggestion" (from Op. 4), for example. If the Berman set of the complete music (sonatas + everything else) was available in a box, I'd grab it. (Or Chiu for that matter, which is now out of print, too.)

Any recommendations for picking up "Diabolique Suggestion" as well as anything else missing from the Raekallio set?

Is the Raekallio the one set I should get for Prokofiev's Piano Sonatas?  As a starter?  I don't have any of Sergei's piano sonatas.  I think my ears are ready now for them.  They weren't ready for them a few years ago.  :)  No fault of Sergei's.

Karl Henning

Quote from: George on November 28, 2012, 06:49:07 AM
A diabolic suggestion, karl.

(* chortle *)

Quote from: ChamberNut on November 28, 2012, 06:49:27 AM
Is the Raekallio the one set I should get for Prokofiev's Piano Sonatas?  As a starter?  I don't have any of Sergei's piano sonatas.  I think my ears are ready now for them.  They weren't ready for them a few years ago.  :)  No fault of Sergei's.

An excellent set, Ray!
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nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
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Karl Henning

Quote from: North Star on November 27, 2012, 09:09:56 PM
I don't know, but I recall reading that Karl likes Sandór's Prokofiev:
I suggest checking this
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Aye, tasty, indeed!
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Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Mandryka

#64
For op4 try Oleg Marshev, or for just the Suggestion Diabolique, Alexis Weissenberg. You should anyway think of complementing Raekallio's sonatas with Marshev.

I cannot recommend Oleg Marshev's Prokofiev more highly.
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North Star

Quote from: ChamberNut on November 28, 2012, 06:49:27 AM
Is the Raekallio the one set I should get for Prokofiev's Piano Sonatas?  As a starter?  I don't have any of Sergei's piano sonatas.  I think my ears are ready now for them.  They weren't ready for them a few years ago.  :)  No fault of Sergei's.

Certainly a very nice set, and you get much of his other piano works, too. Go for it, Ray!
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Brahmsian

Quote from: North Star on November 28, 2012, 08:40:01 AM
Certainly a very nice set, and you get much of his other piano works, too. Go for it, Ray!

Thank you Karl and North Star.  I will add it to my wish list!  :)

Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: karlhenning on November 28, 2012, 06:39:45 AM
(* Jeevesian cough *) Perhaps, if I might suggest one possible substitute, sir:



I just listened to that one on YouTube. Very nice indeed. Thanks for the mention, Karl. :)

But if you'll indulge me a bit of fun: to me Richter's version is a tough act to follow. The combination of clarity and pyrotechnics - especially at about the 1:45 mark - hint at what Prokofiev saw in this pianist:





http://www.youtube.com/v/rJfDl6h9ZgI

Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: ChamberNut on November 28, 2012, 08:44:54 AM
Thank you Karl and North Star.  I will add it to my wish list!  :)

Coming in late but definitely thirded!


Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Dancing Divertimentian

Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

aukhawk

Some great Russian artists mentioned upthread.
Looking at my own collection, I have sonatas 1,4,5,9 by played Murray McLachlan and 7,8,9 by John Lill.
This is not music I listen to very often - maybe this is why?  ::)

not edward

Quote from: aukhawk on November 29, 2012, 02:00:08 AM
Some great Russian artists mentioned upthread.
Looking at my own collection, I have sonatas 1,4,5,9 by played Murray McLachlan and 7,8,9 by John Lill.
This is not music I listen to very often - maybe this is why?  ::)
Can't comment on the Lill, but I find McLachlan has little to offer in these works.

Of the recordings I've heard, Richter is incomparable in 7 & 8 (I'm in love with the Russian Revelation disc of the War Sonatas which I finally found a copy of a few months ago).
"I don't at all mind actively disliking a piece of contemporary music, but in order to feel happy about it I must consciously understand why I dislike it. Otherwise it remains in my mind as unfinished business."
-- Aaron Copland, The Pleasures of Music

Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: aukhawk on November 29, 2012, 02:00:08 AM
Some great Russian artists mentioned upthread.
Looking at my own collection, I have sonatas 1,4,5,9 by played Murray McLachlan and 7,8,9 by John Lill.
This is not music I listen to very often - maybe this is why?  ::)

Actually I've found that Prokofiev's piano music translates well across international dividing lines. So I think you're safe if you don't actually have a "Russian presence" in this music.

In fact, the Raekallio set mentioned repeatedly on this board is some of the finest Prokofiev out there. Grab that set and you should be happy for ages.

You could also do well with such international pianists like Guy, Glemser, Argerich, Pogorelich (though eccentric), and Chiu.





Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

admiralackbar

Quote from: ChamberNut on November 28, 2012, 06:49:27 AM
Is the Raekallio the one set I should get for Prokofiev's Piano Sonatas?  As a starter?  I don't have any of Sergei's piano sonatas.  I think my ears are ready now for them.  They weren't ready for them a few years ago.  :)  No fault of Sergei's.

If you don't have any of the sonatas, I suggest starting with this Pollini recital of 20th century music, which includes Prokofiev's 7th Sonata.



If you're committed to getting a set, however, then, yes, the Raekallio is the one to get (in my opinion). The performances are excellent throughout and the price is right as well. The other included works are great as well. The "Visions fugitives" (Op. 22), for example, are outstanding.