Give me examples and the differences

[Harry]

Definition if you please!

Objectivity
Subjectivity.

I state there is not a thing like Objectivity, and if you think there is than proof it to me without a doubt, and please keep the reasoning simple and lucid, so that everyone can join in.

[Robert]

Definition if you please!

Objectivity
Subjectivity.

I state there is not a thing like Objectivity, and if you think there is than proof it to me without a doubt, and please keep the reasoning simple and lucid, so that everyone can join in.

objectivity, facts without distortion
subjectivity, derived from an individuals viewpoint....

[George]

Definition if you please!

Objectivity
Subjectivity.

I state there is not a thing like Objectivity, and if you think there is than proof it to me without a doubt, and please keep the reasoning simple and lucid, so that everyone can join in.

Objective: emphasizing or expressing things as perceived without distortion of emotion or personal feelings or interpretation; "objective art"

Example: Beethoven wrote 32 piano sonatas. The final one is in two movements, the second movement being in theme and variation form. It was written during the 1820's.


Subjective: Of the mind or emotions only. (As opposed to objective).

Example: Beethoven's 32nd sonata is the greatest piano sonata of all time. It is a powerful work and the perfect culmination of a genre in which he has yet to be equalled. The finale demonstrates, through music, his soul ascending to heaven. I love it!  (I don't agree with all of this, I am only writing it as an example)

[Gurn Blanston]

It's easy Harry, just pay attention to the posts:

If I like it, it is because I have a discerning and dispassionate intellect.   0:)

If YOU like it, it is because you think with your emotions and follow the crowd. 

See, that wasn't so hard.   

[BachQ]

OBJECTIVE: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations <objective art> <an objective history of the war> <an objective judgment>

[Harry]

objectivity, facts without distortion
subjectivity, derived from an individuals viewpoint....

Facts are never without distortion, facts are man made and therefore subjective!

[Harry]

Objective: emphasizing or expressing things as perceived without distortion of emotion or personal feelings or interpretation; "objective art"

That is simply not possible. Perceive without distortion, no, I don't think so. Objective art is not possible.

Example: Beethoven wrote 32 piano sonatas. The final one is in two movements, the second movement being in theme and variation form. It was written during the 1820's.


Subjective: Of the mind or emotions only. (As opposed to objective).

Example: Beethoven's 32nd sonata is the greatest piano sonata of all time. It is a powerful work and the perfect culmination of a genre in which he has yet to be equalled. The finale demonstrates, through music, his soul ascending to heaven. I love it!  (I don't agree with all of this, I am only writing it as an example)

[Harry]

It's easy Harry, just pay attention to the posts:

If I like it, it is because I have a discerning and dispassionate intellect.   0:)

If YOU like it, it is because you think with your emotions and follow the crowd. 

See, that wasn't so hard.   

[Harry]

OBJECTIVE: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations <objective art> <an objective history of the war> <an objective judgment>

That is a statement, and subjective I may add, and in its concept simply not possible.

[Mark]

While I wouldn't be fool enough to claim objectivity doesn't exist, I am, however, of the opinion that everyone experiences objectivity subjectively. How could it be otherwise? We cannot be anything other than what we are, so we cannot experience life in a purely objective way.

No?

[Harry]

While I wouldn't be fool enough to claim objectivity doesn't exist, I am, however, of the opinion that everyone experiences objectivity subjectively. How could it be otherwise? We cannot be anything other than what we are, so we cannot experience life in a purely objective way.

No?

So if you think I am a fool Mark, then prove to me that objectivity exist!
Objectivity does not exist!
Accept that all is subjective.
Makes life a lot easier.

[Robert]

Facts are never without distortion, facts are man made and therefore subjective!

facts are something that exists or is REAL, your saying they are seasoned with distortion??

[Mark]

Objectivity (and facts) exists by concensus. But the way each of us experiences that objectivity will always be subjective.

[Scriptavolant]

facts are something that exists or is REAL, your saying they are seasoned with distortion??

Maybe he's saying that facts, to be deemed existent and real, must pass through human senses, and the act of picking a fact, is someway subjective.
That doesn't impair the reality of fact, I would rather say that there's the chance to achieve a form of non-absolutist objectivity, that is a variable and limited objectivity.

[George]

Objective: emphasizing or expressing things as perceived without distortion of emotion or personal feelings or interpretation; "objective art"

Example: Beethoven wrote 32 piano sonatas. The final one is in two movements, the second movement being in theme and variation form. It was written during the 1820's.

Harry, please respond OUTSIDE of the quote so I can quote your reply. 

BTW, please read the whole thing before commenting. The examples I gave are all examples of objectivity.   

[Harry]

Objectivity (and facts) exists by concensus. But the way each of us experiences that objectivity will always be subjective.

That rather proves my point.

[Harry]

facts are something that exists or is REAL, your saying they are seasoned with distortion??

Yes that is exactly what I am saying Robert.

[Harry]

Maybe he's saying that facts, to be deemed existent and real, must pass through human senses, and the act of picking a fact, is someway subjective.
That doesn't impair the reality of fact, I would rather say that there's the chance to achieve a form of non-absolutist objectivity, that is a variable and limited objectivity.

I can go along with that.

[Harry]

Harry, please respond OUTSIDE of the quote so I can quote your reply. 

BTW, please read the whole thing before commenting. The examples I gave are all examples of objectivity.   

I did not do that on purpose George.

I always read before I comment, all of it.

The examples you have given are not valid for me.
There is no objective art, that is not even possible.
It is created by men a certain man, a group, whatever and tainted with personal feelings and influences, so subjective.

[Mark]

That rather proves my point.

Aha! So you now see I wasn't actually arguing with you, Young Harry.