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Quote from: Don Giovanni on April 13, 2007, 10:48:32 AMMy favourite Beethoven work is the Grosse Fugue. It makes me think of a journey of a tortured soul: maybe like in the Divine Comedy: from the depths of the Inferno, up towards the glorious heights of Paradiso. The isn't too long either. It develops, says what it wants to say, and has done with it.
Quote from: Don Giovanni on April 13, 2007, 12:53:44 PMD Minor, I suppose then that you have a great appreciation for the rest of Beethoven's quartets?
Quote from: bhodges on April 13, 2007, 12:54:48 PMI find it interesting that they include it with recordings of Xenakis, Ruth Crawford Seeger, Nancarrow and Roger Reynolds. The late Beethoven quartets still sound incredibly modern.
Quote from: bhodges on April 13, 2007, 12:54:48 PMI agree: great piece. One favorite version is on this CD by the Arditti Quartet, and I find it interesting that they include it with recordings of Xenakis, Ruth Crawford Seeger, Nancarrow and Roger Reynolds. The late Beethoven quartets still sound incredibly modern.--Bruce
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on April 09, 2007, 04:03:34 PMd minor,But you are not discriminating between what we know now and what was believed about Mozart, even when he was still alive. He was, indeed, an independent-minded, tortured soul. But no one knew or believed that, not until the relatively late 20th century were many of the myths surrounding Mozart dispelled. Ones like "He was Divinely inspired, all he did was hold the pen and it was like automatic writing" and "he was a drunken, whoring playboy who was so gifted that it didn't stop him from writing beautiful music anyway", and lots of others too. And don't forget, he was a lightweight, rococo tunesmith too. Beethoven was the archetype of the tortured artist, each note squeezed from the pen only after hours or days of frenzied thought, crossing out, tearing up &c &c &c. In its own way, this picture is just as wrong as Mozart's. But it was perfect for the Romantic sensibility all around him. Add Schubert to the mix, and this was indeed the Age of Tortured Artists...
Quote from: George on April 18, 2007, 11:56:58 AMAn entire forum dedicated to the music of Beethoven: Beethoven Forum(I am Annie Fischer there)(Thanks to donwyn for tech support)
Quote from: D Minor on April 18, 2007, 12:09:21 PMThanks, Annie!
Quote from: D Minor on April 18, 2007, 11:32:16 AMGurn, How do you know what Beethoven's "perception" was regarding Mozart's struggles in life? For example, Beethoven must have known that Mozart's brilliant operas were vastly under appreciated in Europe during Mozart's lifetime, and must have known (artist-to-artist) that Mozart felt deeply hurt and saddened by this lack of appreciation. Mozart was tortured, and Beethoven (and other artists) may have empathised with that.Beethoven probably knew that Mozart died in poverty, and could infer that Mozart suffered from serious financial and health issues during the final years of his life.Of course, today, we now know that during Mozart's mature life, he struggled a great deal (e.g., in addition to his health & financial problems, we know that he tirelessly edited and reedited his compositions . . . . . etc). Beethoven, Schubert, and others may have been aware of Mozart's struggles . . . . . . or maybe not (how can we know?) . . . . . .And surely Mozart's independent-mindedness was very well known to LvB . . . . . . .
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on April 18, 2007, 04:23:55 PMd minor,In any case, the original concept that Mozart could have served as a role model in the same way that Beethoven did is not likely at all: at the very least, the few people who knew the truth weren't giving it up. And history bears out that he didn't serve as a role model in that way.
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on April 18, 2007, 04:23:55 PMNot that he was generally poor, simply that he was wasteful among plenty. He wasn't, actually, particularly wasteful OR poor. He was viewed as a poor businessman, not poor financially except by his own mismanagement.
Quote from: D Minor on April 18, 2007, 07:01:50 PMAs to Mozart's financial condition, I agree that outwardly he appeared to be successful, although he was forced to move into smaller quarters towards the end, and his ill-health hindered his ability to support his family . . . . . . such that he was compelled to borrow money from Michael Puchberg . . . . . . .Still, wasn't it common knowledge that Mozart was buried in a mass grave among paupers ?. . . . . . But you are correct that the nature and extent of Mozart's struggles was unknown at the time.
Quote from: op.110 on April 18, 2007, 02:48:15 PM1. What do you think are among Beethoven's greatest achievements? Most "influential" works? Greatest achievements... (not in any particular order) Piano Sonata No. 31 op 110 Violin Concerto Piano Concerto No. 5 The Appassionata Piano Sonata Symphony No. 9 Symphony No. 7 Symphony No. 5 Symphony No. 3 Quartet Op. 131 Quartet Op. 127 Ghost Trio Triple Concerto The Ninth would be the "most 'influential'"
Quote from: op.110 on April 18, 2007, 02:48:15 PM Piano Sonata No. 31 op 110
Quote from: op.110 on April 18, 2007, 02:48:15 PM Violin Concerto
Quote1. What do you think are among Beethoven's greatest achievements?
QuoteMost "influential" works?
Quote2. What are your favorite works by Beethoven? Least favorite?
Quote3. Do you feel that Beethoven's personal challenges (deafness; nephew issues; etc) considerably heightened the emotional content of his music?
Quote4. Any favorite recordings? Of Symphonies? Piano Sonatas? Concertos? Chamber? Overtures?
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