Classical music or art music?

Started by Harpo, April 20, 2009, 05:05:27 PM

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karlhenning

Ah, but fortunately you See the Way, James.

You're drooling again.

Bulldog

Quote from: James on April 30, 2009, 01:24:25 PM
yeah, well whatever lightweight...there is no accounting for taste (by & large) on this board that's for sure. oh i write these posts on the fly just so losers like yourself can spell & grammer check them for me, since i know you have nothing better to do with you life.  ;D

What's your definition of a loser? 

Harpo

Quote from: Superhorn on April 27, 2009, 07:52:45 AM
  I'm bothered by the characterization of classical music as"elite music", while calling others "popular" or folk.  The term elitist is loaded with baggage. And it gives the impression that classical music is stuffy,and boring,and that the only other musics are worth listening to.
  Classical music isn't really elitist at all. Any one can enjoy it,if he or she just gives it a chance. But unfortunately ,words like"elitism" applied to classical music close people's minds. What a pity.

Who uses the term "elite music?"  It implies that it's fit for the chosen few and reeks of snobbery. I think a lot of us would like to see more people exposed to classical/art/academic music, starting perhaps with pieces like Nutcracker Suite, Finlandia, Messiah.
If music be the food of love, hold the mayo.

snyprrr

Should "everyone" be allowed to vote?

karlhenning

Not James; musically speaking, he's underage.

Catison

Who cares what term you use as long as people understand what you are talking about.  As far as I am concerned, although "art music" might express the full meaning more precisely, such a concept is probably going to confuse most people not aware of the lingo.  And lets be certain, if you aim to use "art music" because it has a certain connotation of being about the art and not about the image, then you are either speaking to the choir (who doesn't know that classical music is more artistic?) or you are going to offend.  What's the use?
-Brett

Cato

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The Six

 I thought Donald was their dad.

DavidRoss

Quote from: The Six on May 19, 2009, 06:51:07 PM
I thought Donald was their dad.
Don't beat yourself up over it.  Most of us have suffered even greater misunderstandings.
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Cato

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Quote from: The Six on May 19, 2009, 06:51:07 PM
I thought Donald was their dad.

With the exception of Goofy, who, somehow, fathered a son, cartoon characters do not have direct progeny!  Donald is their uncle!

The story dates from the late 1940's: I have seen old magazine ads from that time from RCA, etc. pushing Classical Music as a necessary companion for a civilized personality.

"...the Concertos of Brahms, the Symphonies of Schubert, and the Sonatas of Sibelius!" says Donald.

Keys to turning porcine, anatine children into civilized adults!   0:)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Lethevich

Quote from: Cato on May 20, 2009, 04:08:09 AM
...the Sonatas of Sibelius!

I guess even Donald gets it wrong sometimes... 0:)
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

DavidRoss

Quote from: Lethe on May 20, 2009, 04:42:52 AM
I guess even Donald gets it wrong sometimes... 0:)
Well, they're not what he's best known for, but he did write some.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Lethevich

Quote from: DavidRoss on May 20, 2009, 04:59:49 AM
Well, they're not what he's best known for, but he did write some.

Indeedie, but I feel kind of sorry for any minds being filled with them... perhaps simply dipped would suffice 0:)
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

karlhenning

Quickly dipped, and lovingly frosted with Nielsen . . . .

The Six

Quote from: DavidRoss on May 20, 2009, 03:48:40 AM
Don't beat yourself up over it.  Most of us have suffered even greater misunderstandings.

Well, aren't you a little nugget of joy.

Superhorn

  The term"elitist" music is not mine, but some one made an earlier post
quoting a music theorist,I believe,or teacher who classified  music calling classical"elitist" music.
What I meant that this is a bad term for classical music, because it could mislead people into thinking that this kind of music is"elitist", and therefore stuffy and boring, and not something you should even try.
  The myth that classical music is stuffy, boring and elistist exists, and unfortunately many people who know little or nothing about it, and have not heard it,except perhaps bits of it on television or film, accept it blindly. And this myth closes many people's minds to the possibility that classical music might actually be highly enjoyable. If more people would just keep an open mind, there might be a larger audience for classical music.

karlhenning

Quote from: The Six on May 20, 2009, 06:41:06 AM
Well, aren't you a little nugget of joy.

More a bundle, I consider, than a nugget.

greg


The Six

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 20, 2009, 12:16:44 PM
More a bundle, I consider, than a nugget.

Well, the Nuggets are in the playoffs.

DavidRoss

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 20, 2009, 12:16:44 PM
More a bundle, I consider, than a nugget.
Awwww.  :-*  I like your jokes, too!  8)

Speaking of jokes:  I saw the season finale of American Idol last night.  It was a surprisingly entertaining show, with more pop star power and better production values than either the Oscars ceremony or the Grammy awards.  Among the acts who performed was the aging glitter-glam "rock" band, Kiss.  Is that "art music," I wonder...? 
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher