Does GMG has a blacklist?

[greg]

That wasn't a discussion, it was just a lot of very stupid racist spew.  The mods aren't aggressive enough about shutting down this kind of shit.  It opens the entire board up to ridicule for tolerating it.   

Hm, maybe I skipped over some, but I didn't read anything racist.

[knight66]

Yes, I would like to ask that people stick to the appropriate topic for this thread. Also be aware that a moderator taking action has often conferred behind the scenes before acting. Que has support for the way he has dealt with this issue.

People should not assume they can clearly detect the opinions of the Mods, though of course, we have views and do on occasion express them. I see myself primarily as being here to implement Rob's rules, some of which I am not entirely sympathetic to, but that is irrelevant to my implementing them.

It tends to be that if a Mod agrees with you, they are good and wise, if they disagree with you, they are suppressive and partisan....we are used to it.

Knight

[Daverz]

Hm, maybe I skipped over some, but I didn't read anything racist.

Then you must have skipped over most of the thread or are simply being obtuse.

[knight66]

I think it has. Any topic that results in discussing "race" or "nationality", even on a purely theoretical basis, bearing no practical implications whatsoever, will end being labelled as "filth" and getting locked.

All GMG-ers are equal, but some are more equal than others, having the power to lock any thread that is not to their liking.

"I am right, and you're wrong, but for your right to be wrong I am ready to die", Winston Churchill allegedly said.

The motto of The Diner, in stark contrast, should be:

"I am right, and you're wrong, and you must shut up!"

I am reiterating the actual subject of this thread; as perhaps it has been lost sight of.

In rereading it, I add that it is not a case of I am right, you are wrong....shut up. Rather it is that conflict or the potential for conflict has arisen and is to be halted....right and wrong are not really part of it; though some here actively pull criticism upon themselves, knowing perfectly well that intemperate or extreme opinions repeatedly stated will draw fire.

Knight

[Josquin des Prez]

What is racism?

http://www.truveo.com/A-Conversation-About-Race/id/4071766344

An interesting perspective on how white Americans have been brainwashed in hating their own race and their own heritage. Nothing offensive here i should hope.

[Daverz]

OK, I think I should take a break from GMG for a while.  I know I can't keep out of the Diner, and there will always be stuff like this to piss me off.  Not trying to make an ostentatious show of it, but if I don't say so publicly I won't keep my "resolution", and I don't think GMG has been good for my blood pressure lately.  Good luck, everyone.

[Josquin des Prez]

and there will always be stuff like this to piss me off.

Apparently, i hoped wrong. Apparently, truth, reason and logic aren't enough to conduct a coherent and civil discussion about race. There is only one acceptable point of view, and all contradicting ideas are automatically liable to piss one off and make him scurry away in petulant indignation. Why is this such a huge hurdle for some people? Why aren't we allowed to discuss this openly and logically? Why all the censorship? The snorting, the turning back, all the melodramatic bursts of righteous fury. Why do i always feel like i'm committing some sort of heresy for merely holding and stating a particular opinion? I don't understand, somebody make me understand. Please.

[Wilhelm Richard]

Apparently, i hoped wrong. Apparently, truth, reason and logic aren't enough to conduct a coherent and civil discussion about race. There is only one acceptable point of view, and all contradicting ideas are automatically liable to piss one off and make him scurry away in petulant indignation. Why is this such a huge hurdle for some people? Why aren't we allowed to discuss this openly and logically? Why all the censorship? The snorting, the turning back, all the melodramatic bursts of righteous fury. Why do i always feel like i'm committing some sort of heresy for merely holding and stating a particular opinion? I don't understand, somebody make me understand. Please.

Some folks just can't seem to handle the truth(s) you attempt to provide...

[Que]

Apparently, i hoped wrong. Apparently, truth, reason and logic aren't enough to conduct a coherent and civil discussion about race. There is only one acceptable point of view, and all contradicting ideas are automatically liable to piss one off and make him scurry away in petulant indignation. Why is this such a huge hurdle for some people? Why aren't we allowed to discuss this openly and logically? Why all the censorship? The snorting, the turning back, all the melodramatic bursts of righteous fury. Why do i always feel like i'm committing some sort of heresy for merely holding and stating a particular opinion? I don't understand, somebody make me understand. Please.

JdP, I've said this before, but it seems I need to say this again: this Classical Music forum is not the appropriate place for pushing your ideological agenda. If you don't understand why other members are offended by your ideas, that's unfortunate then, but it is something that will to be taken into account by the moderators.

There are plenty of opportunities on the internet to elaborate on your ideas, but this community is not a platform for plugging ideologies. You are welcome here to dicuss music, which you hardly do anymore for quite some time now....

My request and advice to you is: give it a rest, at least as far as this forum is concerned.

Q

[Wilhelm Richard]

OK, I think I should take a break from GMG for a while.  I know I can't keep out of the Diner, and there will always be stuff like this to piss me off.  Not trying to make an ostentatious show of it, but if I don't say so publicly I won't keep my "resolution", and I don't think GMG has been good for my blood pressure lately.  Good luck, everyone.

I had no idea that anybody was so commited physically to such a thing as an internet forum!  Goodness yes -- attend to your health!

[Wilhelm Richard]

JdP, I've said this before, but it seems I need to say this again: this Classical Music forum is not the appropriate place for pushing your ideological agenda. If you don't understand why other members are offended by your ideas, that's unfortunate then, but it is something that will to be taken into account by the moderators.

There are plenty of opportunities on the internet to elaborate on your ideas, but this community is not a platform for plugging ideologies. You are welcome here to dicuss music, which you hardly do anymore for quite some time now....

My request and advice to you is: give it a rest, at least as far as this forum is concerned.

Q

I have not searched the archives for every instance of conflict here on GMG, but in the last few cases, "JdP" has not instigated the general themes of these discussions but rather, chimed in on ongoing threads.  I do understand that the purpose of this forum is to discuss music and do agree that it should be the focus.  I find it questionable, however, that, while Josquin is asked to take a break, some of the instigators of such lively discussion, as well as those who only fuel the fire (and are often bashing beliefs I personally hold), are not reprimanded (once again, to my knowledge).  It seems as if everybody is willing to play until somebody (in this case, Josquin) calls somebody into account and then everybody is ready to plead a heart condition or discontinue intelligent discussion and take up attacking the messenger.

[knight66]

I think this topic has had a sufficient airing. JDP knows perfectly well that his views are generally regarded as racist, he has indicated sympathy with views by Hitler and has reveled in being labled a fascist.

Unacceptable opinions couched politely are nevertheless unacceptable. But I need not really expand. Anyone who follows the various threads knows quite well the extreme nature of the views so often posted by JDP.

Whether he starts the threads or not, his chiming in is now regarded as spam. Que quoted the rule that indicates that views offensive to the majority of the board that are frequently aired are regarded as spam and against the interests of this board and the majority of its members.

I am now locking this topic. Remember that this is primarily a music board. Anyone chiefly turning up in the Diner to post controversial views is not entitled to the kind of hearing that a valued member would perhaps be permitted. Further posts of the nature of those described will be deleted without further warning or discussion.

There is a growing concern that allowing the latitude we so far have is attracting or may attract further members of similar views. This site may be diverse, but is not all embracing.

In the past we have placed restrictions on people with quite a wide variety of opinions on all sorts of topics, including musical, where their views are repeatedly pushed either to the irritation of other posters, or the reputational damage of the board. We have certainly reached that tippig point with JDP, nor is that an encouragement for him to hand the baton over to a like minded acolyte.

Knight