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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2017, 10:12:41 PM »
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Friedmann    15:32  7:22   8:21  11:51
Järvi             14:04  7:08  7:34   8:29
Svetlanov     14:03  7:27  7:34   7:56
Bakels          13:39  7:26  7:33   8:40

Scherchen, Czech PO:    12:52    6:35   7:42    8:37

Gave it a listen. The sound is rather thin and distant, 1951 vintage. There are some of the usual Scherchen characteristics - slightly chaotic orchestral playing, sudden changes of tempi, some occasional accelerations etc., but it´s not extreme, and given the irregularities and the sound it must be considered a possible, supplementary recording, not a first choice. But besides the Russian folksyness, the conducting style, some dense episodes & the "jumping" traits gave me clear associations to Czech music, including late Dvorak, that I hadn´t had before. Svetlanov remains my favourite here.
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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2017, 05:49:45 AM »
Anyone ever hear the Ashkenazy on Exton (with the Iceland Philharmonic)?

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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2017, 11:39:03 AM »
It was a pleasure to hear the First Symphony conducted by Neeme Jarvi and the SNO today with its enjoyable Glazunov companions.
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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2017, 01:44:02 PM »
The two symphonies are so lovely, I always enjoy them when I can. It's difficult to choose my favorite one, both of them have that Russian allure I can't resist!! Besides the symphonies, another work I like so much by Kalinnikov is 'Tsar Boris'. I'm not sure if it's an incidental music, but what I can say it's strong, it contains enough energy to be seduced. This is one of his most sweeping pieces. 'The Cedar and the Palm' and the two Intermezzi are nice, too (as I can remember). Overall, he was a good composer, sadly dead being very young.

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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2017, 08:59:25 PM »
The two symphonies are so lovely, I always enjoy them when I can. It's difficult to choose my favorite one, both of them have that Russian allure I can't resist!! Besides the symphonies, another work I like so much by Kalinnikov is 'Tsar Boris'. I'm not sure if it's an incidental music, but what I can say it's strong, it contains enough energy to be seduced. This is one of his most sweeping pieces. 'The Cedar and the Palm' and the two Intermezzi are nice, too (as I can remember). Overall, he was a good composer, sadly dead being very young.
Right, I must look out for Symphony 2 next.
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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2017, 11:48:21 AM »
Anybody know this one?


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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2017, 08:35:25 PM »
Worth mentioning that there is a Mravinsky Kalinnikov 2nd. I haven´t heard it yet, but it´s on you-tube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qslHwFCu2sc

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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2017, 02:57:25 PM »
I love both of Kalinnikov's symphonies. The "big tune" (secondary theme of the first movement) of the First has been haunting my memory ever since I first heard it. The Second may lack a deeply memorable "big tune", but it is still a beautiful and energetic work. The first movement isn't terribly inspired, but the rest of the piece is very much on the same exalted level as the First. I've only heard the Kuchar recordings with the National Orchestra of Ukraine on Naxos, which are perfectly satisfactory.
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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2019, 07:30:02 PM »


Knowing the good reputation due to his 2 extremely attractive symphonies, I don't get the idea why Tsar Boris is little known, it's rather unbelievable. The most ablaze pages of this composer. His gift for melody and drama are unabashed here as much as possible. If you're looking for Russian blockbusters (I remember this word by cilgwyn), don't hesitate about this ultra epic piece. Practiaclly as good as his symphonies.

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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2019, 10:29:26 PM »
I love both of Kalinnikov's symphonies. The "big tune" (secondary theme of the first movement) of the First has been haunting my memory ever since I first heard it. The Second may lack a deeply memorable "big tune", but it is still a beautiful and energetic work. The first movement isn't terribly inspired, but the rest of the piece is very much on the same exalted level as the First. I've only heard the Kuchar recordings with the National Orchestra of Ukraine on Naxos, which are perfectly satisfactory.

Kyjo - Just saw your comment above about the 2nd subject of the 1st symphony - my experience was identical.  One of those tunes the looped in my head from that moment on.....

BUT please please hear any other version after Kuchar!  Its "ok" but Svetlanov is a different league and in fact the old Jarvi/SNO/Chandos recording also still sounds very fine.  If its good with Kuchar think how much better it is with these others....!

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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2019, 04:50:46 AM »
Kyjo - Just saw your comment above about the 2nd subject of the 1st symphony - my experience was identical.  One of those tunes the looped in my head from that moment on.....

BUT please please hear any other version after Kuchar!  Its "ok" but Svetlanov is a different league and in fact the old Jarvi/SNO/Chandos recording also still sounds very fine.  If its good with Kuchar think how much better it is with these others....!

Don’t worry, I’ve gone on to explore other recordings! ;) I’ve been especially taken by the Malaysian(!) Philharmonic recordings under Kees Bakels on BIS.

And btw, I revise my earlier comment about not finding the first movement of the 2nd Symphony particularly inspired. I now find the whole work completely entrancing from start to finish and prefer it overall to the already great 1st Symphony.
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