Harpsichord or piano?

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Bunny


The Mad Hatter

Quote from: James on June 02, 2007, 06:55:55 PMwithout getting utra pedantic over this, it roughly goes something like clavichord > harpsichord > pianoforte > piano

Er, piano is an abbreviation of pianoforte. You're thinking of fortepiano.

BachQ

Quote from: Bogey on June 02, 2007, 07:48:11 PM


Perhaps if you imagined a hot babe on the harpsichord (rather than Trelane -- the spoiled, arrogant brat) your dislike for the harpsichord would disappear ........


stingo

I like both - and will purchase recordings played on either/both - for me it's the playing (emotional/passionate) that's the important thing.

FideLeo

Quote from: stingo on June 03, 2007, 08:32:25 AM
I like both - and will purchase recordings played on either/both - for me it's the playing (emotional/passionate) that's the important thing.

CPE Bach's concerto for harpsichord and fortepiano does require to be played on both.   ;D
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Bogey

Quote from: D Minor on June 03, 2007, 08:21:53 AM
Perhaps if you imagined a hot babe on the harpsichord (rather than Trelane -- the spoiled, arrogant brat) your dislike for the harpsichord would disappear ........



Naw.  That's just Odo doing a bit of shape-shifting.   ;D
There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

Bunny

#66
Quote from: fl.traverso on June 03, 2007, 09:51:48 AM
CPE Bach's concerto for harpsichord and fortepiano does require to be played on both.   ;D

Here's one of my favorite recordings of that work (Carus-Verlag), featuring the Freiburg Barockorchester; Christine Schornsheim on fortepiano and Michael Behringer on Harpsichord.


FideLeo

Quote from: Bunny on June 03, 2007, 11:04:30 AM
Here's one of my favorite recordings of that work (Carus-Verlag), featuring the Freiburg Barockorchester; Christine Schornsheim on fortepiano and Michael Behringer on Harpsichord.



It is an incredbily witty work - the two solo instruments are so much fun
playing together in some kind of brother- or sisterhood.   Note this piece
will never work if you pitch in a modern Steinway.   It will have to play
a super-staccato-y, emasculated way or threatens to drown everybody
else out.  ;D
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Maciek

Quote from: Catison on June 02, 2007, 01:08:12 PM
When I think of harpsichord, it is the extremely dry and precise sound that I love.  It is perfect for music with a lot of motion, because it brings a clarity you can't find on any other instrument.  It is the same reason I like chamber version of Appalachian Spring.

Here is my favorite piece for harpsichord.  It is Michael Nyman's The Convertibility of Lute Strings.  It is not for the faint of heart, but it is a lot of fun.  I recently stumbled upon this recording again, and I've played it about 5 times this past week.

http://download.yousendit.com/FC4805C01727E264

Thanks. He has used the same material in his Harpsichord Concerto later on, hasn't he?

And I've posted a helping of Polish contemporary harpsichord pieces here.

Maciek

Catison

Quote from: MrOsa on June 04, 2007, 05:51:16 AM
Thanks. He has used the same material in his Harpsichord Concerto later on, hasn't he?

Yes, precisely.  The harpsichordist asked him for a solo piece and concerto, so he used the same material for both.  Some of the material was originally in another harpsichord piece called Tango for Tim.

Quote from: MrOsa on June 04, 2007, 05:51:16 AM
And I've posted a helping of Polish contemporary harpsichord pieces here.

Maciek

Thanks, I'll check it out.
-Brett

anasazi

#70
I just really hate the sound of a harpsichord (usually).  Probably because I'm a pianist.   ::) 

And I've spent a number of years trying to play Bach on my instrument.  It sounds good to me (better if Glenn Gould plays it though). 

Florestan

#71
Not all harpsichords sound the same. Find the proof here. And check also the early Cristofori pianoforte for a surprising sound.
"Ja, sehr komisch, hahaha,
ist die Sache, hahaha,
drum verzeihn Sie, hahaha,
wenn ich lache, hahaha! "

anasazi

Quote from: Florestan on June 04, 2007, 11:07:14 PM
Not all harpsichords sound the same. Find the proof here. And check also the early Cristofori pianoforte for a surprising sound.

Of course, and by the same token, not all pianos sound the same.  Still, there is that difference.

Harry Collier


Not too difficult to comprehend why, when the pianoforte came along, all harpsichords were all donated en masse to museums. Thomas Beecham's comparison with "skeletons copulating on a tin roof" is not too far off the mark.

Florestan

Quote from: Harry Collier on June 04, 2007, 11:57:41 PM
Thomas Beecham's comparison with "skeletons copulating on a tin roof" is not too far off the mark.

Only in the sense that the harpsichord has indeed a sensual sound. :)
"Ja, sehr komisch, hahaha,
ist die Sache, hahaha,
drum verzeihn Sie, hahaha,
wenn ich lache, hahaha! "

Maciek

And the keys are probably often covered in bone of some sort...

FideLeo

Quote from: Harry Collier on June 04, 2007, 11:57:41 PM
Not too difficult to comprehend why, when the pianoforte came along, all harpsichords were all donated en masse to museums. Thomas Beecham's comparison with "skeletons copulating on a tin roof" is not too far off the mark.


What does Beecham know about harpsichords!?    ::)
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Harry

Quote from: Harry Collier on June 04, 2007, 11:57:41 PM
Not too difficult to comprehend why, when the pianoforte came along, all harpsichords were all donated en masse to museums. Thomas Beecham's comparison with "skeletons copulating on a tin roof" is not too far off the mark.


Its a silly remark, of a conductor who knew nothing about Harpsichords.

FideLeo

Quote from: Harry on June 05, 2007, 11:22:39 AM
Its a silly remark, of a conductor who knew nothing about Harpsichords.

Harpsichords know nothing about Beecham either. 
BTW, Beethoven was still playing harpsichords when
he was very young.  So how long did it take for the
fortepianos to come along?  Forty years?  Some
people need to get historically informed.  ;D
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Bogey

Quote from: Harry Collier on June 04, 2007, 11:57:41 PM
Not too difficult to comprehend why, when the pianoforte came along, all harpsichords were all donated en masse to museums. Thomas Beecham's comparison with "skeletons copulating on a tin roof" is not too far off the mark.


Ah, but there is a bit more that can accompany this quote (in bold and from the web):

Two skeletons copulating on a tin roof.
- Sir Thomas Beecham [In fairness, we must remember that Beecham died in 1961, before a generation of excellent players, restorers, makers and tuners had emerged to sound the instrument's depths and rediscover its possibilities. ]

There are also these quotes (from the web):

Several otherwise discerning musicians have harboured hostile feelings [The composer Ralph Vaughan Williams compared the sound of the harpsichord to 'the ticking of a sewing machine' and Percy Scholes quoted 'a performance on a bird-cage with a toasting-fork' from an unnamed wit. ] towards the harpsichord since its re-introduction after a fallow period in the 19th Century. However, its place at the centre of nearly all Baroque ensembles, and its enormously rich solo literature, have ensured its healthy survival for the foreseeable future.

Personally, as stated earlier, I am not a huge solo fan, however, I cannot imagine most of Hogwoods recordings without one somewhere in the mix. :)




There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz