Fat Enders

[Karl Henning]

Thanks! Making good, gradual progress

[Mookalafalas]

I'm glad to hear it.  Of course we only know each other tangentially, but I was really quite alarmed by the news. It's a relief to hear that things are moving in the right direction.
   As far as "The fat enders" goes, you used to be about 35 pounds heavier than I was, and now you've vaulted right past me.  I've got some catching up to do.

[vandermolen]

Virtue Signalling Post

I have now lost 1 stone on my new healthy heating regime (no bread, no cheese, no sweets, cake, biscuits, chocolate, more water, no fruit drinks, Kolko instead of milk and more decaf tea, no alcohol (sort of))

Soon I'll be able to audition for Legolas the elf if there's a new production of Lord of the Rings. Mind you, posting about it here will probably be the kiss-of-death for this diet.
0:)

[NikF4]

5'8"/173cm

The first few months -



Update -



As ever, how I feel and how my clothes fit are more important than the numbers.
The calorific deficit is easy to maintain (I always had a sandwich before bed - about 300 calories - so I stopped having it) and is enough to see steady progress. Another four to six weeks and I'll see how I look and feel then.


e: overall the last six months or so have seen me feel better than I have for the past few years. Good stuff.

[vandermolen]

5'8"/173cm

The first few months -



Update -



As ever, how I feel and how my clothes fit are more important than the numbers.
The calorific deficit is easy to maintain (I always had a sandwich before bed - about 300 calories - so I stopped having it) and is enough to see steady progress. Another four to six weeks and I'll see how I look and feel then.


e: overall the last six months or so have seen me feel better than I have for the past few years. Good stuff.

Excellent Nik! Keep up the good work.

[NikF4]

Excellent Nik! Keep up the good work.

Thanks. Allied to the gym and my trapeze lessons (in another thread you asked where I'd been) the past six months or so have been hugely positive.

Good work on your weight loss. You shouldn't feel even for a moment that posting about it is the kiss of death. Enjoy the current benefits and those that are still to come.

[NikF4]

Broken finger - no more trapeze/training in general? = bollocks to that. A 'mere bagatelle'. 

e: but seriously, f"ck that.

[Karl Henning]

Broken finger - no more trapeze/training in general? = bollocks to that. A 'mere bagatelle'. 

e: but seriously, f"ck that.

Oof!

[NikF4]

Oof!

karlushka, relative to what you've seen dealing with on a daily basis it's fuck all, but, it has changed my plans for the summer. Still, it could always be worse. Vy ponimayete?

[NikF4]

karlushka, relative to what you've been dealing with on a daily basis it's fuck all, but, it has changed my plans for the summer. Still, as I say it could always be worse. Vy ponimayete?

[NikF4]

BTW, my reason for difficulty in posting/quoting etc is because I've finally started to carry a smartphone when on the the go, albeit a five or six year old smartphone. Rhetorical question: who the fuck needs access to everything/everyone, every minute of the day? Maybe parents and/of carers for the elderly. The rest of it is about having an attention seeking/validation dispensing device. IMO, of course.

e: 

e2: I usually look at the end of the month, but -


I'll adjust the calories (not by very much) and so deal with it.

[Karl Henning]

karlushka, relative to what you've seen dealing with on a daily basis it's fuck all, but, it has changed my plans for the summer. Still, it could always be worse. Vy ponimayete?

The once and future clarinetist emphasizes with a broken finger ....

[Mookalafalas]

An old thread.
   Anyway, my weight has been drifting up with my age, and I've been having joint pain and other problems. Suddenly, I felt wildly inspired to lose weight.  Starting with keto diet. I'm at about 97 kilos.  My goal is to get to 88 by mid July. I put some weight equipment in my office, and busted out my yogurt maker.
   Lets go!

[steve ridgway]

Keto diet will do it. After a week's holiday with my parents in November I was 12st 9.75lb / 80.5 kg and lost 10lb / 4.5 kg in the next two weeks with proper keto (scrambled eggs instead of potatoes / rice / pasta). I've not been so strict since but have kept below my red line of 12st / 76 kg. Today 11st 11.5lb / 75 kg and lowest so far (last week) was 11st 9.5 lb / 74 kg which is 6.5 kg below my starting point. I don't really want to go lower than that, 11st 12lb / 75 kg looks about right for me.  I'm sure you could lose 9 kg by July starting from a higher weight. I do a lot of walking and some upper body muscle building exercise but the food is the main factor. If you can do all your eating within an 8 hour window and leave it out for a 16 hour break it will also help with any insulin system problem like diabetes or pre-diabetes.

[Mookalafalas]

Hi, Steve.  That is encouraging. I have tried keto in the past, with mixed results. I always lose a lot at first (when your body flushes the water weight), but then soon hit a wall. I also did the "window of eating time", but cheated too many times, I think. I'm hoping this time I can stick to it better...

[Jo498]

I think the "secret" is to change one's diet in a way one can maintain indefinitely. The most promising for most people seems to be a sort of "intermittent fasting (basicall no dinner or no breakfast, all food taken within a ca. 8 hour or less window) combined with low carb as proteins keep the hungry feeling away for longer. The "zeroth step" is to cut all sugary/alcohol drinks and snacks and keep 4 hours between meals. And as little pre-packaged/processed food as possible. I think Michael Pollan gave once as a rule of thumb to avoid buying anything with more than 5 ingredients listed on the package
And a moderate (hopefully increasing) amount of exercise that should include not only "cardio" but lifting/bodyweight exercise that builds/keeps muscle mass.

[steve ridgway]

This sounds about right. I'm eating my main meal at midday with breakfast typically pork pie and apple, and in the evening cheese, salami and a little pickled onion. Crispy duck seems to be a great slimming food, even with the hoisin sauce, and I can get away with a chocolate eclair after the main meal

[Mookalafalas]

I live in japan. I generally don't eat any processed foods of any kind, and no sugary drinks. A lot of yogurt, oatmeal,  multi-grain bread, meat, some pasta, eggs, lots of rice.  No beer (although wine and hard alcohol).  I walk 8-10K steps most days, but my weight has still been slowly climbing (I'm 55). It is quite frustrating. Anyway, I've bought some exercise equipment and will try "full keto" again. I'll keep you informed how it goes

[steve ridgway]

Ah all those over bred grass seeds that people never evolved to eat. You may be pleased to hear though that age in itself is not a problem - I will be 60 at the weekend.

[Jo498]

People did evolve during the last 6000 years... I think the blaming on grains is mostly a fad although lowering carbs (esp. highly processed carbs) seems to work for many people.
Your lifestyle does sound reasonably healthy, Mookafalas and I am in no way an expert. The main things I could think of are further reducing carbs (esp. anything sweet and alcohol), increase fibre and protein and add some higher intensity and/or strength exercise to the low intensity cardio. Unfortunately, there are some hereditary or other factors we can't do anything about. I have never smoked, drank very moderately, if at all, was mostly normal weight and reasonably fit (a few years slightly overweight, around 26-27 BMI) and I have had a hereditary problem with gout attacks since my early thirties and a (mild, manageable) coronary heart condition since my late 40s, so I have to take 5 different pills every day...