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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #120 on: December 05, 2017, 11:59:59 PM »
Susanna Mälkki and the Helsinki Philharmonic did Les espaces acoustiques in February. I wish I could have been there..

I'm excited to learn of this and hope a radio broadcast recording makes it way to YT, but investigating it appears to be Pierre Andre Valade, rather than Malkki:

http://helsinginkaupunginorkesteri.fi/en/concerts/musica-nova-helsinki

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« Reply #121 on: December 06, 2017, 01:19:53 AM »
I'm excited to learn of this and hope a radio broadcast recording makes it way to YT, but investigating it appears to be Pierre Andre Valade, rather than Malkki:

http://helsinginkaupunginorkesteri.fi/en/concerts/musica-nova-helsinki
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« Reply #122 on: December 06, 2017, 03:10:34 AM »
If I saw Les Espaces Acoustiques live, I would honestly walk out in tears by the time it ends (heck it started to happen at one point when I saw Le Sacre recently). Not that I am a person who sheds tears easily or often but it would be so overwhelming for me, considering how attached I am to it 
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« Reply #123 on: December 06, 2017, 03:16:27 AM »
But in the context of my own home, playing it on the stereo as I do, it is very much a psychedelic work for me. The cycle is a spiritual experience, I come out of the epilogue after those incredible, otherworldly 90 minutes going "wow!".
The feeling that you have come out of the cycle/work a different person.
Man, it takes me somewhere amazing  :-*

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« Reply #124 on: December 06, 2017, 03:22:52 AM »
*chuckling*

Les espaces acoustiques is definitely one of the greatest of the 20th century

Damn right it is  :D

(among too many contenders).

Undeniably yes, which causes some internal conflict with my other idols  :laugh: :laugh:

Partiels is fabulous -- but then, I adore all sections of the piece.


The entire thing is perfect IMO, but I think Transitories may be my favorite individual part.  ;)

Still hoping some ambitious orchestra will do the entire thing live in New York. Spectral scores are still challenging for most conventional orchestral musicians. (I've heard more of his music from new chamber music groups, like the International Contemporary Ensemble, for example.)

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I really, really hope so too. If you play it enough, you'll draw an audience/grow more awareness of Grisey.

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #125 on: December 06, 2017, 03:24:49 AM »
who has written the HitParade version of EA? OK, maybe I'll take it to work today...

This I guess, as it is kinda the "classic recording"



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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #126 on: December 06, 2017, 04:49:48 AM »
Susanna Mälkki and the Helsinki Philharmonic did Les espaces acoustiques in February. I wish I could have been there..

I was there. It was Pierre-Andre Valade, not Mälkki. Valade conducts with an eerie precision. His approach would probably suck for Classical or Romantic-era music where rubato is appreciated in "interpretation", but in spectral repertoire where the timings are very precisely calculated, he made the work run like clockwork. Definitely one of the best concerts I’ve ever been to.

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« Reply #127 on: March 28, 2020, 08:20:32 AM »
Barbara Hannigan. Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil. You know what to do.
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« Reply #128 on: March 28, 2020, 02:52:20 PM »
Thank you for the heads-up. Listening now.

also:

La Passione review – Grisey's masterpiece endures

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #129 on: March 28, 2020, 03:11:35 PM »
Barbara Hannigan. Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil. You know what to do.

We certainly do. Thank you!

Thank you for the heads-up. Listening now.

also:

La Passione review – Grisey's masterpiece endures

And many thanks for this, too. Warms my heart to see Grisey mentioned today.

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« Reply #130 on: March 28, 2020, 03:57:19 PM »
I look forward to getting the new Hannigan recording. Still, is a pity that the world premiere recording with Catherine Dubosc was botched, since Grisey based on the first movement on a spectral model of Dubosc’s voice specifically, so any other soprano taking on the world would be rather like, say, later singers performing those Berio works written for Cathy Berberian.

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« Reply #131 on: March 28, 2020, 04:02:35 PM »
Botched in what way?

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #132 on: March 28, 2020, 06:24:50 PM »
Botched in what way?
I am curious about this too.

I have one of Barbara Hannigan's recordings and was quite floored by her voice, singing and the works (different composer).  Am learning more about her and am discovering how talented she is in many fields.  Will check out more soon re Grisey, etc.

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« Reply #133 on: March 28, 2020, 11:08:11 PM »

And many thanks for this, too. Warms my heart to see Grisey mentioned today.


A very big + 1. Warms my heart too.

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« Reply #134 on: March 29, 2020, 06:26:13 AM »
Botched in what way?

The sound quality of that recording is rather poor by Kairos standards. Based on the credits, I would assume this is a radio recording made without too much care taken, which Kairos subsequently picked up for release.

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #135 on: March 29, 2020, 07:27:04 AM »
The sound quality of that recording is rather poor by Kairos standards. Based on the credits, I would assume this is a radio recording made without too much care taken, which Kairos subsequently picked up for release.
I would love the BBC to issue the recording they made of the world premiere under George Benjamin, which left an indelible impression on me.
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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #136 on: March 29, 2020, 10:01:17 AM »
The sound quality of that recording is rather poor by Kairos standards. Based on the credits, I would assume this is a radio recording made without too much care taken, which Kairos subsequently picked up for release.

I played it yesterday and didn't notice anything like that. In fact I thought it might have had some advantage over the Hannigan in balance of voice and instruments and in the way individual instruments were picked up and highlighted.


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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #137 on: March 29, 2020, 01:53:04 PM »
I played it yesterday and didn't notice anything like that. In fact I thought it might have had some advantage over the Hannigan in balance of voice and instruments and in the way individual instruments were picked up and highlighted.

Indeed, I’ve only listened to the first chant though, but I compared and contrasted Hannigan and Dubosc  in a totally informal and half baked and inattentive way and felt that Dubosc was more passionate, more raw. Hannigan more polished and more like an . . . opera singer! Nothing follows.

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