Composers' Dirty Laundry

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matti

Quote from: Lethe on May 21, 2009, 10:34:33 AM
Fattest composer might be Dussek, whose weight was legendary. Perhaps rivaled by Scarlatti (towards the end of his life, just as Dussek), who reputedly could not cross his arms to play certain harpsichord sections, due to his bulk.



Closely followed by Leif Segerstam who has been self ironic about his big belly and confessed he needs a mirror to see his c**k.

Florestan

Drunkards, gamblers, womanizers, sexual perverts, homosexuals, paedophiles... these are not vices specific to composers, but universal human vices and I doubt that the percentage of paedophiles among composers is larger than that of the society at large.

Great art comes not form mental or emotional distress, but from talent / genius and hard work. Not every pacient of an asylum is a Schumann or a Hoelderlin; not every drunkard in a slum tavern is a Mussorgsky or a Faulkner; and not every brothel-going chap is a Baudelaire or a Van Gogh.

The artists are not superhuman types, beyond good and evil, to whom ordinary moral laws do not apply. On the contrary, they are human, only too human: their art is an expression of their full humanity and their behaviour is subjected to the same moral injunctions as that of any other mortal.

Mussorgsky is no excuse for drunkenness; neither is Mussorgsky being a drunkard an indictment of his artistic output (Rimsky-Korsakov meddling with it notwithstanding :) )

"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

schweitzeralan

Quote from: snyprrr on May 17, 2009, 12:40:10 AM
ok, maybe I should have asked, "Which Russian composer was NOT  a drunk?"...

...and the reason I didn't ask, "Which composer's mother wore army boots?" is because I get the feeling there is one.

C'mon, it's Saturday night!!!

We know about Mussorgsky...Sibelius...what about the addicts (Berlioz?...Merikanto?...no more???)? Americans in Paris???

What is it about artists like Vivier and Pasolini that gets them murdered by male prostitutes? Kinkiest composers?...Szymanowski?

(So...technically if you like Rachmaninov's best work you have Glazunov to thank? Interesting!...poor Rachy...)Yes, more stories like that.

Maybe I've seen too much TMZ?..."and I'm a lawya'"...arrrgh >:(

Maybe a better question would be, "Which composer was also a lawyer?" but I think we all know the answer to that.

I fear where this thread might be by mid week. Get the clampdown ready, boys...

What was Merikanto's problem? An alcoholic?  Not unlike Sibelis, befre he recanted.

matti


Bunny

Quote from: The Six on May 16, 2009, 11:15:05 PM
Boulez only changes his underwear once a week.

How often does he change his socks?

DavidRoss

Quote from: matti on May 21, 2009, 10:43:16 AM
Closely followed by Leif Segerstam who has been self ironic about his big belly and confessed he needs a mirror to see his c**k.
Gosh, given the size of Segerstam's belly I think he might be better off if he were to see his cook less often, mirror or no.   ;D
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

matti

Quote from: DavidRoss on June 30, 2009, 12:54:38 PM
Gosh, given the size of Segerstam's belly I think he might be better off if he were to see his cook less often, mirror or no.   ;D
;D

Archaic Torso of Apollo

Quote from: Florestan on May 21, 2009, 11:04:14 AM
Great art comes not form mental or emotional distress, but from talent / genius and hard work. Not every pacient of an asylum is a Schumann or a Hoelderlin; not every drunkard in a slum tavern is a Mussorgsky or a Faulkner; and not every brothel-going chap is a Baudelaire or a Van Gogh.

Dude, tell me about it. I tried all these things; they still didn't make me into a genius  :(
formerly VELIMIR (before that, Spitvalve)

"Who knows not strict counterpoint, lives and dies an ignoramus" - CPE Bach

Florestan

Quote from: Spitvalve on July 01, 2009, 11:23:41 PM
Dude, tell me about it. I tried all these things; they still didn't make me into a genius  :(

;D
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

DavidRoss

Quote from: Spitvalve on July 01, 2009, 11:23:41 PM
Dude, tell me about it. I tried all these things; they still didn't make me into a genius  :(
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.  ;)
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

eyeresist

Quote from: DavidRoss on June 30, 2009, 12:54:38 PM
Gosh, given the size of Segerstam's belly I think he might be better off if he were to see his cook less often, mirror or no.   ;D

"It is only a waffeur-thin mint!" (for Karl)



Yeah, I had a friend who went out of his way to admire alcoholic writers as (I strongly suspect) justification for his own immoderate habits.