Vladimir Horowitz

[Mandryka]

Do you know the recordings from the 1930s -- some Chopin and a Liszt sonata?

Charms the birds from the trees, he does.

I'm curious about what people think of his final Kinderszenen -- the one from the Hamburg concert.

[DFO]

I prefer the first recording. And do you know his pianolla recordings between 1925 and 32?

[Mandryka]

No -- I don't know the piano rolls. What are they like?

Is there an earlier Liszt sonata than my 1932 record? Or are you talking about Kinderszenen? (I know there's one from 1949 but I haven't heard it)

[DFO]

Don't know any Liszt's son.before 1932. About Kreisleriana, I mean the one he recorded on RCA. About his piano rolls it sounds "mechanic", but with his fantastic technique. Short pieces from his usual repertory, 3 of his own war horses, but a very rare Liszt-Busoni phantasy on Mozart's Figaro, that's his only published recording of that piece. And I believe he didn't recorded after his "Walz" or his "moment exotique"

[George]

Do you know the recordings from the 1930s -- some Chopin and a Liszt sonata?

Charms the birds from the trees, he does.

Is that the APR CD?

[Bogey]

There is this lovely Pearl floating around, George:


Horowitz-Solo Recordings 1928-36

However, the oyster shell it comes in is not cheap. 

[George]

There is this lovely Pearl floating around, George:


Horowitz-Solo Recordings 1928-36

However, the oyster shell it comes in is not cheap.  

I wonder how much overlaps with the 2 CD APR set I have? Mine says complete 1930-1936, so I would bet a great deal overlaps.

At under $18 new, it's a bargain.

[Mandryka]

Is that the APR CD?

It's not the APR disc, but the recordings are the same as far as I can see.

Mine is on a Cedar Sound label I'm afraid -- I suspect you have a better transfer.

I noticed just now that the reviewer of the APR on amazon.com says that the Liszt sonata has never been surpassed.

May well be true.

I wonder if people can pinpoint the good Horowitz Liszt from his later recordings -- that would help me explore his art a bit more.

Don't know any Liszt's son.before 1932. About Kreisleriana, I mean the one he recorded on RCA. About his piano rolls it sounds "mechanic", but with his fantastic technique. Short pieces from his usual repertory, 3 of his own war horses, but a very rare Liszt-Busoni phantasy on Mozart's Figaro, that's his only published recording of that piece. And I believe he didn't recorded after his "Walz" or his "moment exotique"

I was talking about Kinderszenen not Kreisleriana. Is that a typo or did we cross wires?

I just played again the Hamburg Kinderszenen.

If there's an  RCA Kinderszenen which is preferable then I want it NOW bacause the Hamburg one struck me as astounding.

[Drasko]

Is there an earlier Liszt sonata than my 1932 record?

No, that's one and the same November 1932 HMV recording. It's available on who knows how many labels: EMI, Philips (Great Pianists), Pearl, APR, Naxos, and possibly ever Italian pirat ever existed.

[Que]

Haven't heard the Pearl, but these are immaculate transfers.

Q

[Bogey]

I wonder how much overlaps with the 2 CD APR set I have? Mine says complete 1930-1936, so I would bet a great deal overlaps.

At under $18 new, it's a bargain.

Here is the Pearl set, I believe:

Vladimir Horowitz    Variations on a Theme from Bizet's "Carmen", for piano    9:08
Frédéric Chopin    Mazurka for piano No. 21 in C sharp minor, Op. 30/4, CT. 71    3:36
Carl Tausig    Capriccio for piano in E    2:34
Claude Debussy    Children's Corner, suite for piano (or orchestra), L. 113 (Serenade for the Doll)    3:03
Ernst von Dohnányi    Concert Etude (Capriccio) for piano in F minor, Op. 28/6    2:11
Franz Liszt    Valse oubliée, for piano No. 1, S. 215/1 (LW A311/1)    2:15
Franz Liszt    Andante, etude for piano in E flat major (Grand Paganini Étude No. 2), S. 141/2 (LW A173/2)    3:07
Vladimir Horowitz    Moment Exotique (Danse Excentrique), for piano    2:22
Sergey Rachmaninov    Prelude for piano No.6 in G minor, Op. 23/5    3:14
Francis Poulenc    Pastourelle, ballet movement (for collab. work, L'éventail de Jeanne), FP 45 (No 8 Pastourelle)    2:11
Francis Poulenc    Trois pièces, for piano, FP 48 (No 2 Toccata)    1:51
Franz Joseph Haydn    Keyboard Sonata in E flat major, H. 16/52    14:31
Sergey Rachmaninov    Transcription of Rimsky-Korsakov's "Flight of the Bumblebee" from "The Tale of the Tsar Saltan" for piano, TN iii/9    1:09
Igor Stravinsky    Petrushka, movements (3) for piano (Russian Dance)    2:15
Franz Liszt    Piano Sonata in B minor, S. 178 (LW A179)    26:24
Robert Schumann    Presto Appassionato for piano in G minor (rejected finale for Op. 22), WoO 5/2    5:30
Franz Liszt    Funérailles, for piano (Harmonies poétiques No. 7), S.173/7 (LW A158/7)    9:08
Frédéric Chopin    Mazurka for piano No. 7 in F minor, Op. 7/3, CT. 58    2:21
Frédéric Chopin    Etude for piano No. 8 in F major, Op. 10/8, CT. 21    2:20
Frédéric Chopin    Mazurka for piano No. 27 in E minor, Op. 41/2, CT. 77    1:55
Ludwig van Beethoven    Variations (32) on an original theme for piano in C minor, WoO 80    9:26
Johann Sebastian Bach    Nun freut euch, lieben Christen gmein (I), chorale prelude for organ, BWV 734 (BC K125)    1:58
Claude Debussy    Études (12) for piano in 2 books, L. 136 (Etude XI pour les Arpèges Composés)    3:31
Robert Schumann    Arabeske for piano in C major, Op. 18    6:13
Robert Schumann    Toccata for piano in C major, Op. 7    4:42
Frédéric Chopin    Etude for piano No. 15 in F major, Op. 25/3, CT 28.    1:30
Frédéric Chopin    Mazurka for piano No. 32 in C sharp minor, Op. 50/3, CT. 82    4:12
Frédéric Chopin    Etude for piano No. 4 in C sharp minor, Op. 10/4, CT. 17    2:01
Frédéric Chopin    Etude for piano No. 5 in G flat major, Op. 10/5, CT. 18    1:33
Domenico Scarlatti    Sonata for keyboard in B minor, K. 87 (L. 33)    4:17
Domenico Scarlatti    Sonata for keyboard in G major, K. 125 (L. 487)    2:05
Frédéric Chopin    Scherzo for piano No. 4 in E major, Op. 54, CT. 200    8:43

http://www.amazon.com/Horowitz-Solo-Recordings-1928-36-Johann-Sebastian/dp/B000000WRU

Here is yours?:

1.        Sonata for Piano in B minor, S 178 by Franz Liszt
Performer:  Vladimir Horowitz (Piano)
Period: Romantic
Written: 1852-1853; Weimar, Germany
      
2.     Toccata for Piano in D minor, Op. 11 by Sergei Prokofiev
Performer:  Vladimir Horowitz (Piano)
Period: 20th Century
Written: 1912; Russia
      
3.     Sonata for Piano no 2 in B flat minor, B 128/Op. 35 "Funeral March": 1st movement by Frédéric Chopin
Performer:  Vladimir Horowitz (Piano)
Period: Romantic
Written: 1837-1839; Paris, France

[Bogey]

Naw....has to be more on yours as well George.  Just cannot find the listing.

[Que]

HERE is the APR:

CD 1
CHOPIN Étude in C sharp minor Op 10 No 4;  Étude in G flat major 'Black key' Op 10 No 5; Étude in F major Op 10 No 8; Étude in F major Op 25 No 3; Mazurka in F minor Op 7 No 3; Mazurka in E minor Op 41 No 2; Mazurka in C sharp minor Op 50 No 3; Scherzo No 4 in E major Op 54; Sonata No 2 in B flat minor Op 35 First movement; LISZT Funérailles Harmonies poétiques et réligieuses, S173 No 7; Sonata in B minor S178

CD 2
D SCARLATTI Sonata in B minor Kk87; Sonata in G major Kk125; BACH–BUSONI Nun freut euch, lieben Christen gmein BWV734; HAYDN Sonata in E flat major Hob XVI/52; BEETHOVEN 32 Variations on an original theme in C minor WoO80; SCHUMANN Presto passionato in G minor;  Arabeske in C major Op 18; Traumes Wirren (Fantasiestücke), Op 12 No 7; Toccata in C major Op 7; DEBUSSY Étude XI: Pour les arpèges composés; POULENC Pastourelle; Toccata (Trois pièces pour piano, No 2); RIMSKY-KORSAKOV/RACHMANINOV The Flight of the Bumble-bee;  STRAVINSKY Danse Russe (Petrushka); RACHMANINOV Prelude in G minor Op 23 No 5; PROKOFIEV Toccata in C major Op 11

[George]

Thanks Bill, looks like this is what's included in the Pearl but not in the APR set:

Here is the Pearl set, I believe:

Vladimir Horowitz    Variations on a Theme from Bizet's "Carmen", for piano    9:08
Frédéric Chopin    Mazurka for piano No. 21 in C sharp minor, Op. 30/4, CT. 71    3:36
Carl Tausig    Capriccio for piano in E    2:34
Claude Debussy    Children's Corner, suite for piano (or orchestra), L. 113 (Serenade for the Doll)    3:03
Ernst von Dohnányi    Concert Etude (Capriccio) for piano in F minor, Op. 28/6    2:11
Franz Liszt    Valse oubliée, for piano No. 1, S. 215/1 (LW A311/1)    2:15
Franz Liszt    Andante, etude for piano in E flat major (Grand Paganini Étude No. 2), S. 141/2 (LW A173/2)    3:07
Vladimir Horowitz    Moment Exotique (Danse Excentrique), for piano    2:22

Not exactly a whole lot, about 28 minutes of music. Given the great transfers and the hefty Pearl price, it looks like the APR is a no-brainer. Plus the APR has stuff that isn't on the Pearl, so completists need both anyway.

[Bogey]

Got the same thing, I believe.  I believe this is what is left on the Pearl set not on the APR....crop off others if I missed them, Gentlemen.

Vladimir Horowitz    Variations on a Theme from Bizet's "Carmen", for piano    9:08
Frédéric Chopin    Mazurka for piano No. 21 in C sharp minor, Op. 30/4, CT. 71    3:36
Carl Tausig    Capriccio for piano in E    2:34
Claude Debussy    Children's Corner, suite for piano (or orchestra), L. 113 (Serenade for the Doll)    3:03
Ernst von Dohnányi    Concert Etude (Capriccio) for piano in F minor, Op. 28/6    2:11
Franz Liszt    Valse oubliée, for piano No. 1, S. 215/1 (LW A311/1)    2:15
Franz Liszt    Andante, etude for piano in E flat major (Grand Paganini Étude No. 2), S. 141/2 (LW A173/2)    3:07
Vladimir Horowitz    Moment Exotique (Danse Excentrique), for piano    2:22



Hmmmm....these are on the APR, but not the Pearl?
Chopin Sonata No 2 in B flat minor Op 35 First movement;
PROKOFIEV Toccata in C major Op 11

[Bogey]

Plus the APR has stuff that isn't on the Pearl, so completists need both anyway.

Looks like the APR is the way to go unless the Pearl can be had in a used bin.

[Que]

Thanks Bill, looks like this is what's included in the Pearl but not in the APR set:

Horowitz made recordings in the US during 1928 -1930. I guess (some of) those are included on the Pearl disc.

Q

[Bogey]

Horowitz made recordings in the US during 1928 -1930. I guess (some of) those are included on the Pearl disc.

Q

Ah!  Nice insight.

[George]

Got the same thing, I believe.

Yep.  

Hmmmm....these are on the APR, but not the Pearl?
Chopin Sonata No 2 in B flat minor Op 35 First movement;
PROKOFIEV Toccata in C major Op 11

Correct. Also not in the Pearl set is Schumann: Traumes Wirren Op. 12 No. 2. So that leaves three works in the APR that are not in the Pearl:

1. Chopin Sonata 2 First Movement - 7:05
2. Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11 - 3:32
3. Schumann Traumes Wirren Op. 12, No. 2 - 2:20

About 13 minutes of music. 

[George]

Haven't heard the Pearl, but these are immaculate transfers.

Q

Just noticed that the Berkshire Record Outlet in the states has this new for only $7