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Fëanor

Quote from: jlaurson on January 08, 2011, 07:29:15 AM

Classical music for $100: "The Second $100"
Now that we've established that such lists are daft but fun, let's continue. If the first list was purely an intuitive collection of lures, without any didactic or representative pretensions, this list makes more assumptions on the potential listener than just that of a most general, vague interest.
http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2011/01/classical-music-for-100-second-100.html
Interesting lists, but they prove 200 bucks doesn't go far buying music!!

jlaurson

Quote from: Feanor on January 08, 2011, 11:05:26 AM
Interesting lists, but they prove 200 bucks doesn't go far buying music!!

But that wasn't the point at all. If you want to go far, quantitatively, with music... there's almost no limit with $200 with dirt cheap box sets everywhere. The point was to invest those $100 most efficiently for lasting attraction to classical music. I firmly believe, in any case, that one CD is more likely to make a great impression than one hundred.

Fëanor

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Quote from: jlaurson on January 08, 2011, 11:25:03 AM
But that wasn't the point at all. If you want to go far, quantitatively, with music... there's almost no limit with $200 with dirt cheap box sets everywhere. The point was to invest those $100 most efficiently for lasting attraction to classical music. I firmly believe, in any case, that one CD is more likely to make a great impression than one hundred.

I concede that your recommendations are a very nice introduction to classical, (though I haven't heard most of your recommendations).  I agree that huge, cheap boxed sets aren't the way to go.

On the other hand, next week after you've ONE has heard these initial suggestions, you're ONE is going to want MORE. (This is my point.)

jlaurson

Quote from: Feanor on January 09, 2011, 04:33:15 AM
On the other hand, next week after you've heard these initial suggestions, you're going to want MORE. (This is my point.)

You are using "you" in that general way, aimed at the abstract classical music neophyte whom I am addressing, right?
Because that's exactly what the items on the list are supposed to do: leave the newcomer wanting MORE! (Not within a week; I think that a reasonable rate would be 3 to 12 months, depending on musical voracity of subject at hand... but still.) And the second list is already up (see above); which goes further into classical music. (Again: not quantitatively but qualitatively.)

Meanwhile fresh up on ionarts:
Listen What the Cat Dragged In: Nott's Mahler in Bamberg


and on WETA:
From Gabrieli to Now! Interview With Yannick Nézet-Séguin


jlaurson



The Musical Adventures of Young Johnny Barto
http://www.weta.org/fmblog/?p=2664

"She gave me my first real book of music;
I'll never forget it... she gave me a book of Henle Mozart
Sonatas, the first book where the notes weren't as big as
my fist and I had to look really carefully at them. And I
thought: I really made it now. I'm playing from real grown-
up music.
"


Drasko

Quote from: jlaurson on January 23, 2011, 04:56:20 AM

A New Label for Christophe Rousset
http://www.weta.org/fmblog/?p=2640

That is excellent news about Bellérophon! It's the only of Lully's tragedies that hasn't been recorded this far. One thing though; it's not his last, that would be Armide, Bellérophon falls somewhere in the middle of the impressive streak of 13 Tragédies en musique in as many years.

jlaurson

Quote from: Drasko on January 23, 2011, 06:18:18 AM
That is excellent news about Bellérophon! It's the only of Lully's tragedies that hasn't been recorded this far. One thing though; it's not his last, that would be Armide, Bellérophon falls somewhere in the middle of the impressive streak of 13 Tragédies en musique in as many years.

oops. "last unrecorded" that was supposed to be, me thinks.


Lethevich

Concerning the reissue industry, "legendary" has to be the most increasingly annoying of all words :'( A lot so-called ones have hardly ever been out of print.
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

Chaszz

Quote from: jlaurson on January 16, 2011, 05:59:43 AM


The Musical Adventures of Young Johnny Barto
http://www.weta.org/fmblog/?p=2664

"She gave me my first real book of music;
I'll never forget it... she gave me a book of Henle Mozart
Sonatas, the first book where the notes weren't as big as
my fist and I had to look really carefully at them. And I
thought: I really made it now. I'm playing from real grown-
up music.
"

Wow, thanks for that great Chardin I've never seen before. Where on the web did you find it, please? 

jlaurson

Quote from: Chaszz on January 27, 2011, 03:12:51 PM
Wow, thanks for that great Chardin I've never seen before. Where on the web did you find it, please?
http://bit.ly/fuahMg

I think I helped myself to the image from the National Gallery.

Brian

Vintage Hurwitz ;D :

QuoteWhen I was in grad school I met a coed who had the best pickup line I have ever heard. I had borrowed a book from the library that she wanted, and in order to induce me to give it up early, she said, "Why don't you come over to my place and check out my clavichord?" Disappointingly, she actually had one; her sister built them as a hobby. As it turned out, playing it was quite fun. The clavichord...[explanation]

http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=13182

jlaurson

Quote from: Brian on January 28, 2011, 12:52:10 AM
Vintage Hurwitz ;D :

http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=13182

Even if he was only half as ugly as a grad student than he is now, he shouldn't have been surprised that she actually had a clavichord. And a cataract.

Brian

Quote from: jlaurson on January 28, 2011, 05:04:40 AM
Even if he was only half as ugly as a grad student than he is now, he shouldn't have been surprised that she actually had a clavichord. And a cataract.

Left: Dave Hurwitz
Right: Dave Hurwitz, age 25 (artist's representation)

jlaurson

Quote from: Brian on January 28, 2011, 05:25:52 AM
Left: Dave Hurwitz
Right: Dave Hurwitz, age 25 (artist's representation)

That's not the picture I have one file.



MishaK

Quote from: jlaurson on January 28, 2011, 05:04:40 AM
Even if he was only half as ugly as a grad student than he is now, he shouldn't have been surprised that she actually had a clavichord. And a cataract.

Ha!

BTW, Jens, you're still one of the most idiosyncratic reviewers I know. Your two $100 selections are quite interesting. I'm amazed at the total lack of symphonic or operatic works.

jlaurson

Quote from: Mensch on January 28, 2011, 11:56:40 AM
Ha!

BTW, Jens, you're still one of the most idiosyncratic reviewers I know. Your two $100 selections are quite interesting. I'm amazed at the total lack of symphonic or operatic works.

Is that good or bad?

In any case, I think I've explained that somewhere in the footnotes: Something about my impression of total neophytes being that they can deal with the free flowing form of concertos more readily than appreciate the structured forms of sonata and symphony... (and also: concertos in some way making symphonies less necessary... the Eroica will come on its own, eventually)... and re: Opera: the recordings I *would* want to recommend (in any case never in the first batch, because most neophytes will run and take cover at the very idea of opera) were all too expensive to fit the format. A good case could be made for including some symphony earlier in the game... (a late Mozart Symphony; or maybe a catchy one by Haydn... waitasecond: I DID recommend Haydn symphonies!)...but opera is a specialist's specialist territory. Doesn't make the 'lowest common denominator cut.