What - no thread about how the moon landings were faked?

[Florestan]

the Holocaust has been swept under the carpet by Catholic Poland

I wonder how much time will pass until Newman finally gets to the crux of the matter: Rome is the whore of Babilon and the Pope is Satan...

[Wanderer]

Such small sub-elephant sized bodies in space would not be recognised as 'moons' by any official astronomical organisation or authority...

It all depends on definitions, really, unofficial, quirky ones being de rigueur in this thread. 

More importantly, though, I'm now authorized to reveal that yet another GMG-based conspiracy, which would require you to  sell out your beliefs by admitting adherence to those deceitful official organizations and authorities you despise so much, has succeeded.
Kudos to the conspirators! And shame on you. It didn't need much effort.

...hence Pluto is now not officially regarded as a planet for similar reasons despite, as far as I recall, being bigger than an elephant.

I'm sure this last fact weighed much to the IAU's decision. 

[robnewman]

It all depends on definitions, really, unofficial, quirky ones being de rigueur in this thread. 

More importantly, though, I'm now authorized to reveal that yet another GMG-based conspiracy, which would require you to  sell out your beliefs by admitting adherence to those deceitful official organizations and authorities you despise so much, has succeeded.
Kudos to the conspirators! And shame on you. It didn't need much effort.

I'm sure this last fact weighed much to the IAU's decision. 

The 'Spin Machine' goes in to overtime !  So, here, once again, (just in case you missed it) is a post on the fake moon landings -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTMAhOvXgsg

Any comments ?

[Brian]

robnewman here as well?

Well I should have guessed that 2 conspiracies wouldn't be enough.

3, he talked about the Shakespeare one a few pages ago. Actually 4, there was the September 11 one, also.

He hasn't said if his water's got fluoride in it yet, though.

[Brian]

Indeed @ moon-fakery. Thank god we have some people willing to expose the truth, regardless of ridicule from the brain-washed sheep.

Sara, I hate to one-up you, but...

[robnewman]

3, he talked about the Shakespeare one a few pages ago. Actually 4, there was the September 11 one, also.

He hasn't said if his water's got fluoride in it yet, though.

Brian,

I know it's real hard for you. But this thread is about the faked moon landings. So, stop adding fluoride to your tea/coffee and think of opening a thread on 'Shakespeare'. Because this one is about....................the faked moon landings. OK ?

Have we gone too fast for you Brian ??

[Brian]

Brian,

I know it's real hard for you. But this thread is about the faked moon landings. So, stop adding fluoride to your tea/coffee and think of opening a thread on 'Shakespeare'. Because this one is about....................the faked moon landings. OK ?

Have we gone too fast for you Brian ??

You've gone too fast for some of us! We're just counting the number of conspiracy theories you believe.

[MishaK]

O Mensch,

All we need now are a few volunteers to go into outer space protected by a sheet of aluminium for several weeks from deadly solar radiation. Fools !

Look - the Van Allen Belt is NOT the source of Solar Radiation. Get it yet ? In fact, the Van Allen Belt is a belt of dust and other material that PROTECTS the Earth FROM Solar Radiation. Right

Which part of this message do you NOT understand

Solar Radiation (like sunlight) comes from..................................THE SUN..................OK ?

2. Regardless of when the Apollo crew landed on the moon the Solar Radiation (which would already have fried them alive in outer space) would continue to fry them alive BECAUSE THERE IS NO ATMOSPHERE ON THE MOON.

Hello !!!!! ?

I'm posting the following more for the benefit of others than you, since you have already exhibited yourself as being utterly illiterate when it comes to all aspects of physics. But for the record:

http://www.braeunig.us/space/69-19.htm

You also seem utterly unaware that the Van Allen Belts posed the far greater radiation exposure threat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_Belts

See also: http://www.wwheaton.com/waw/mad/mad19.html


But what's the use? You never read anything that is contrary to your wanker's dogma.

3. The sunlight on the lunar surface would heat up the lunar surface by several hundred degrees. Right ?? That means that anything in contact with the lunar surface would be heated by several hundred degrees.

If you don't believe me try this -

Temperatures on the Lunar surface vary widely on location. Although beyond the first few centimeters of the regolith the temperature is a nearly constant -35 C (at a depth of 1 meter), the surface is influenced widely by the day-night cycle. The average temperature on the surface is about 40-45 C lower than it is just below the surface.

In the day, the temperature of the Moon averages 107 C, although it rises as high as 123 C. The night cools the surface to an average of -153 C, or -233 C in the permanently shaded south polar basin. A typical non-polar minimum temperature is -181 C (at the Apollo 15 site).

The Lunar temperature increases about 280 C from just before dawn to Lunar noon. Average temperature also changes about 6 C betwen aphelion and perihelion

(Source - http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:RluTGknzo1MJ:www.asi.org/adb/m/03/05/average-temperatures.html+lunar+temperatures&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk)

Now, will you tell us how the Apollo crew withstood the intense bursts of SOLAR RADIATION they would be subjected to in outer space between the Earth and the Moon ? And will you tell us how they and their landing craft were not boiled during daylight on the moon ?

Let's see, maybe it was a special kind of aluminium cooking paper, right ? Hollywood Paper, perhaps  

From this site: http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

How could the astronauts survive in the heat of the Moon's day? Objects that are heated cannot be cooled by space.

This is true, to a point, however spacesuits can radiate heat. All objects above absolute zero radiate heat; therefore some of the heat energy received from the Sun is radiated back into space as infrared rays. Also, much of the Sun's radiant energy can be reflected away. The astronaut's spacesuits were white because this color reflects the most radiation, thereby minimizing the amount absorbed. Finally, the spacesuits were equipped with a cooling system that utilized water as a medium to carry away excess heat.

The cooling system consisted of a cooling garment worn by the astronaut, a heat exchanger, and a porous plate sublimator. Water was circulated through tubes in the cooling garment where it absorbed heat from the astronaut’s body and then carried it to the heat exchanger in the backpack. As water passed through the heat exchanger, heat was transferred to a layer of ice on the surface of the porous plate sublimator causing the ice to sublimate and the resulting gas carried away the unwanted heat. The ice was replaced by continually seeping a small amount of water through holes in the metal plate of the sublimator. When the water was exposed to the vacuum of space, the sudden drop in pressure caused it to immediately freeze onto the plate’s surface.

See also: http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/Baked_Film.htm

The temperatures on the moon reach 280 degrees Fahrenheit.  Wouldn't this have baked the photographic film until it frizzled?

This theory is based on the maximum temperature that the moon's surface reaches during the long lunar day. (The moon has a day that lasts for two of our weeks.) That's very, very hot. Fortunately, no-one went to the moon to spread film out under the sun for two weeks.

The Apollo missions were timed to take place during lunar mornings.  The temperatures are at their most hospitable then, so the astronauts themselves were at not going to overheat.

The film also spent all its time either within the camera or within the lander.  Unlike the moon's surface, both of these were designed to reflect as much of the sun's heat as possible.  So they never got anywhere near the temperatures that the surface reaches.

You also have to keep in mind that because there is no air, there is no ambient temperature and no convected heat on the moon. So if you are out of direct sunlight, and therefore radiated heat, you will be quite chilly.  As the camera and lander were designed to reflect heat, the film wouldn't even pick up much conducted heat from them. So that's no convection, little radiation, little conduction. There are no other methods of receiving heat.

Your grasp of physics is simply inadequate for this subject, robnewman. Why don't you entertain us a bit with your thoughts about chemtrails and the illuminati.

[Rod Corkin]

It all depends on definitions, really, unofficial, quirky ones being de rigueur in this thread. 

More importantly, though, I'm now authorized to reveal that yet another GMG-based conspiracy, which would require you to  sell out your beliefs by admitting adherence to those deceitful official organizations and authorities you despise so much, has succeeded.
Kudos to the conspirators! And shame on you. It didn't need much effort.

I'm sure this last fact weighed much to the IAU's decision. 

Well actually I believe there is no 'official' unified declaration on what is the minimum size of a moon, but I suspect sub-elephant size would be a bit small for most astronomers. But again I repeat the only authority I have cast an accusatory gaze concerns the development of the irrational 'cult' of JS Bach amongst the musical establishment. Recognition of this phenomenon is hardly new and has been written about often, however in relation to my previous posts on this 'cult' it will surely have not escaped the minds of GMG readers that Mr Newman is a JS Bach super-fan. What does it all mean I wonder..?

[Lethevich]

as far as I recall, [Pluto is] bigger than an elephant.

That's just what they want you to think

[robnewman]

You've gone too fast for some of us! We're just counting the number of conspiracy theories you believe.

I think the evidence suggests you believe in more conspiracy theories than I do. Let me list them -

1. You believe in the 'OFFICIAL' 9/11 Report (which is, officially, in its own text, a 'conspiracy'). That's ONE, Brian.
2. You believe Apollo moon landings were factual, even although the mass of the evidence shows they are fiction. That's TWO, Brian.

That's two, to start with. Right ?

But, since this thread is on how the Apollo moon landings were faked, and since I've gone too fast for some of you by special request here is some more help -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTMAhOvXgsg



Always remember - the media needs to be de-foxified !! 

[Joe Barron]

Actually, here's a true story - one of my earliest clear memories. I can't remember how old I was, precisely, but certainly less than 5. Anyway, I was out at night, with my Dad, and there was a full moon - and this was the first stirrings of curiosity about the universe I guess, because I remember asking him what the moon was, and why was it different to the sun? And I remember him trying to explain. Of course I know now that he was trying to explain that we saw the moon only by reflected light, but what he actually said was something like 'the moon is really just a reflection'. And there was a period of time that followed, weeks, or maybe even months, when I was trying to figure out where the mirror could be. No kidding.

Well, it's not your fault. Your dad wasn't being clear.

This story reminds me of the time I tried to explain to my elderly aunt just what stars are. Sweetest woman in the world, but she went to work quite young and didn't have much beyond an eighth-grade education. (She was born in 1903). We were sitting in her living room once, I recall, and she said she and her father used to look up at the stars and wonder what they were. And I, being a college grad with two 100-level astonomy courses under my belt, told her they were suns, and that the sun itself is a star. Then why are they so much smaller, she wanted to know. Because they are so much farther away. I think I lost her when I tried to describe the size of galaxies, because I don't think she knew what galaaxies were. I keep thinking what a wonderful thing education is, even a little education. It gives you some context for our own existence. Some people, I find, can't say why the days are longer in summer than in winter. I enjoy explaining that to them.

My column this week will be on the moon landing's 40th anniversary. Will post a link when it's printed.

I remember when I was a kid seeing a sci-fi movie called "Journey to the Far Side of the Sun." The premise was that we disvcover another earth on the other side of the sun that we hadn;t noticed yet  because the sun was in the way. It's an exact duplicate of our own earth. Everyone here has a counterpart there, and everything that happens here is happening there at the same time, except that everything is backwards. They read right to left, etc. I forget when, either at the time or when I starteted studing astronimy, but eventually I reailzed it couldn't work exactly: we could not have the same experiences at the same time, because the night sky on each planet would be different. If Polaris was the north star on each earth, then the seasons would be out of phase. If, on the other hand, the planets' axes tilted in opposite directions so that the seaons lined up, then the contellations would be way off, and astronomers and star gazers on each earth would be looking at and talking about different things at the same time. Good movie, though.

This stuff keeps me up nights.

[robnewman]

Real conspiracies are analogue. And official conspiracies are digital. 

[robnewman]

I'm posting the following more for the benefit of others than you, since you have already exhibited yourself as being utterly illiterate when it comes to all aspects of physics. But for the record:

http://www.braeunig.us/space/69-19.htm

You also seem utterly unaware that the Van Allen Belts posed the far greater radiation exposure threat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_Belts

See also: http://www.wwheaton.com/waw/mad/mad19.html

But what's the use? You never read anything that is contrary to your wanker's dogma.

From this site: http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

See also: http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/Baked_Film.htm

Your grasp of physics is simply inadequate for this subject, robnewman. Why don't you entertain us a bit with your thoughts about chemtrails and the illuminati.

O Mensch,

Take a deep breath. And face the facts. You have less knowledge of physics than a cheeseburger.

As for discussing other conspiracy theories, sure, why not open one for each ? As I've often suggested. Because this one is on the fake moon landings. A subject which includes the following -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTMAhOvXgsg

Any comments ?

LOL. Can people really be so, 'dumbed down'

[Taxes-]

But again I repeat the only authority I have cast an accusatory gaze concerns the development of the irrational 'cult' of JS Bach amongst the musical establishment. Recognition of this phenomenon is hardly new and has been written about often, however in relation to my previous posts on this 'cult' it will surely have not escaped the minds of GMG readers that Mr Newman is a JS Bach super-fan. What does it all mean I wonder..?

That Handel is the superior composer, obviously.

Well actually I believe there is no 'official' unified declaration on what is the minimum size of a moon, but I suspect sub-elephant size would be a bit small for most astronomers.

There is a an official declaration on the characteristics needed for something to be a planet. It's still controversial, but it seems to have been done adequatly to me. And on the minimum size requirements, the hydrostatic equilibrium part pretty much provides that, they mention that a diameter of around 800 km is needed for a rocky planet.

[Elgarian]

That's just what they want you to think

Exactly. Why, I've seen elephants that were even bigger than the very largest peanuts. And by some margin.

[robnewman]

There is a species of peanut which eats whole elephants. I saw it on FOX news so it must be true.

[Joe Barron]

From this week's New Yorker:

[Florestan]

Mr. Newman, here is a description of the cooling system used for the astronaut suits. Are you so kind to show us what's wrong with it and why it wouldn't work? Thank you.

How could the astronauts survive in the heat of the Moon's day? Objects that are heated cannot be cooled by space.

This is true, to a point, however spacesuits can radiate heat. All objects above absolute zero radiate heat; therefore some of the heat energy received from the Sun is radiated back into space as infrared rays. Also, much of the Sun's radiant energy can be reflected away. The astronaut's spacesuits were white because this color reflects the most radiation, thereby minimizing the amount absorbed. Finally, the spacesuits were equipped with a cooling system that utilized water as a medium to carry away excess heat.

The cooling system consisted of a cooling garment worn by the astronaut, a heat exchanger, and a porous plate sublimator. Water was circulated through tubes in the cooling garment where it absorbed heat from the astronaut's body and then carried it to the heat exchanger in the backpack. As water passed through the heat exchanger, heat was transferred to a layer of ice on the surface of the porous plate sublimator causing the ice to sublimate and the resulting gas carried away the unwanted heat. The ice was replaced by continually seeping a small amount of water through holes in the metal plate of the sublimator. When the water was exposed to the vacuum of space, the sudden drop in pressure caused it to immediately freeze onto the plate's surface.

[greg]

This thread is really funny and sad at the same time.