Started by Greta, June 04, 2007, 06:57:53 PM
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Quote from: Greta on June 04, 2007, 06:57:53 PMAny tips you guys can share from personal experience or recommendations of recordings that are good to follow the score by?
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 05, 2007, 02:45:50 PMChailly's recordings are particularly transparent.
Quote from: The Mad Hatter on June 06, 2007, 10:37:18 AMI always found Mahler much easier to read than, say, Beethoven (first time I tried I got absolutely lost in the score of Beethoven's ninth). With Mahler, if you're not sure, just follow one instrumental line until you have things a bit more steadily.
Quote from: Marple on June 06, 2007, 02:34:38 PMOne wise man once told me never to read scores and listen to the music at the same time.
Quote from: Bonehelm on June 06, 2007, 09:16:01 PMI thought Mahler only uses a few instruments at a time? That wouldn't be too hard to follow would it?
Quote from: greg on June 10, 2007, 09:38:45 AMnow this is a nice thread! (where's 71db..... oh wait, he doesn't believe in reading scores, lol)The Mahler scores I have are symphonies: 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, and 9, plus his song cycles which i haven't looked at in forever. I also have a piano reduction of the 2nd, and have studied the complete orchestral a lot, since it was in my old library. So to complete my collection, I pretty much just need symphonies 2 (full score), 7, 10, the Piano Quartet and also The Song of the Earth. Anyone else have the score to the 9th symphony? The Dover miniature is only $8, and most of his others are only $5.Okay, now doesn't every agree that this symphony is supercomplex? The first movement has some of the slipperiest rhythms ever. There's even parts where he's using quintuplets, triplets and eights at the same time. It sounds like a jumble, but at the same time you can hear every voice.But I have a question about the form of his movements. The first- is there actually something that could be considered a recap here? It kinda recaps, but it sounds more like it just keeps on recapping and then going through development.And the last movement- I could just safely say the it doesn't recap at all, right? I like to think of it this way- three main themes/sections/whatever are exposed by mm.17, and that's the end of the expositon. Then from there starts the development, which continues until the end. Along the development, new themes are exposed and sections are sorta extended. I define theme A as mm.1-11, theme B as mm.12-44, and theme C as mm.13 -17. And what I mean by "extended" is that more material is added on when the secion is repeated, and the material may be free counterpoint or previous materal or motifs from A B or C. Just look at mm. 28-49. It's basically B being repeated but a lot of stuff added on, including new motifs which are restated later. I just think the whole "Exposition, Development" definition is an easier way to interpret the form, and then after that it's just details.
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on June 10, 2007, 01:43:06 PMFirst movement is sonata form, exposition is about 5 minutes long and the recapitulation is about 9 minutes long (you can hear it because it begins with the same theme in the second violins as did the exposition).
QuoteFirst movement is sonata form, exposition is about 5 minutes long and the recapitulation is about 9 minutes long (you can hear it because it begins with the same theme in the second violins as did the exposition).The finale is binary form, ABABABAB-coda.
QuoteSome people even argue that this movement has no recap at all, merely a 5 minute exposition follow by 25 minutes of development.
QuoteThough a rather good explanation is given in the archives on the Mahlerfest website, along with discussions of symphonies 5-7.
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