Rarely discussed works by well-known composers

Started by Mark, June 05, 2007, 04:27:45 PM

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Daverz

Quote from: hornteacher on June 05, 2007, 05:42:25 PM
Mozart's "Kegelstatt" Trio for clarinet, viola, and piano [...]
The Nash Ensemble has a great CD with this [...]

I think I have that around somewhere...from a BRO order...I think...oy, i have too many CDs.

Mark

Quote from: Grazioso on June 06, 2007, 03:25:41 AM
His motets are beautiful, too, but often overlooked in favor of his big choral pieces or--even more so--his symphonies.

I'll second that. Lovely works, possibly more interesting (IMO) than Brahms' motets.

Florestan

Dvorak's Piano Concerto
Beethoven's Christus am Ölberge
Brahms' Serenades
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

Mark

Quote from: Florestan on June 06, 2007, 03:54:29 AM
Dvorak's Piano Concerto
Beethoven's Christus am Ölberge
Brahms' Serenades

I have all three, and confirm that I think them excellent as well as underrated. :)

Florestan

Quote from: Mark on June 06, 2007, 03:58:42 AM
I have all three, and confirm that I think them excellent as well as underrated. :)

Thanks. :)
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

karlhenning

Stravinsky, Le baiser de la fée
Prokofiev, Cantata for the 20th Anniversary of the October Revolution
Schoenberg, Accompaniment to a Film Scene

Florestan

Quote from: karlhenning on June 06, 2007, 04:21:32 AM
Prokofiev, Cantata for the 20th Anniversary of the October Revolution

Judging by the title, I imagine this to be a nice propaganda piece. :)
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

karlhenning

Quote from: Florestan on June 06, 2007, 04:23:14 AM
Judging by the title, I imagine this to be a nice propaganda piece. :)

The matter of the texts aside . . . it's all really fine music.  I think it works better than, say, the revised Fourth Symphony.  But that's just me . . . .

BachQ

Quote from: Mark on June 05, 2007, 04:27:45 PM
how about Handel's Carmelite Vespers of 1707?

I discuss that every day ........ several times per day ..........

not edward

Quote from: karlhenning on June 06, 2007, 04:25:03 AM
The matter of the texts aside . . . it's all really fine music.  I think it works better than, say, the revised Fourth Symphony.  But that's just me . . . .
...and me, and a lot of other Prokofiev-lovers I have met.

I don't think it's in the absolute top rank of his pieces, but it's a truly original work and even now there's nothing quite like it.
"I don't at all mind actively disliking a piece of contemporary music, but in order to feel happy about it I must consciously understand why I dislike it. Otherwise it remains in my mind as unfinished business."
-- Aaron Copland, The Pleasures of Music

Mark

Quote from: D Minor on June 06, 2007, 04:33:31 AM
I discuss that every day ........ several times per day ..........

You big silly! ;D

Florestan

Quote from: karlhenning on June 06, 2007, 04:25:03 AM
The matter of the texts aside . . . it's all really fine music. 

As to be expected from Prokofiev. :)
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

techniquest

QuoteThe matter of the texts aside . . . it's all really fine music.  I think it works better than, say, the revised Fourth Symphony.  But that's just me . . . .

It is a very fine piece, but like a number of Prokofiev works, it exists in original and revised forms. I have heard 3 recordings of the piece, the Melodiya recording of 1967 on vinyl with Kondrashin and the Moscow PSO which is the shortened (revised) version of 8 parts, the Chandos CD recording of 1992 with the Philharmonia forces under Neeme Jarvi which is a spectacular recording of the longer version (10 parts) but somehow doesn't quite capture the raw excitement of the Kondrashin recording; and the live BBC recording under Mark Elder which was inferior in every way.
The piece is scored for a huge band of full orchestra, chorus, mixed brass band, accordion ensemble, unusual percussion (e.g siren) and narrator all of which come together during the 'Revolution' section which is Prokofiev at his wildest. On the other hand, it has some really beautiful choral and orchstral writing - so much so that Hollywood composer James Horner nicked the first theme outright for the opening credits music to the Schwarzeneggar film 'Red Heat' and used other parts for the music to 'Land Before Time'.

karlhenning

Quote from: techniquest on June 06, 2007, 07:42:48 AM
It is a very fine piece, but like a number of Prokofiev works, it exists in original and revised forms. I have heard 3 recordings of the piece, the Melodiya recording of 1967 on vinyl with Kondrashin and the Moscow PSO which is the shortened (revised) version of 8 parts

The shortened version is not any revision by the composer, but was the belated premiere of a piece, with texts glorifying Stalin, at a time when Stalin had at last fallen into deserved disgrace.

carlos

Brahms piano quartets and cello sonatas
Dvorak piano quartets and string terzetto, sextet
and S quintet op.1
Enescu chamber works
Borodin chamber except his 2 SQ
Mendelssohn viola sonata
Vieuxtemps viola works
Nielsen solo violin works
Elgar chamber works
Saint-Saens chamber works
Bazzini everything he wrote except his famous dance
Cherubini SQs and SQuintet
Malipiero SQs
Honegger chamber works
Kreisler SQ, Paganini first concerto arrangement
and Viennese Rhapsodic Fantasietta
...I can go on and on and on...
Piantale a la leche hermano, que eso arruina el corazón! (from a tango's letter)

Florestan

Quote from: carlos on June 06, 2007, 07:53:25 AM
Vieuxtemps
Bazzini
Cherubini
Malipiero
Kreisler

Do they qualify as well-known composers? :)
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

carlos

Piantale a la leche hermano, que eso arruina el corazón! (from a tango's letter)

Greta

Sibelius chamber works...
Sibelius piano works  :o
Any of his non-orchestral is very good and ofeten looked over.

mahlertitan

Arnold Schoenberg's works without opus numbers, for instance, his string quartet in D major (1897)

Mark

Quote from: Florestan on June 06, 2007, 07:55:32 AM
Do they qualify as well-known composers? :)

Cherubini and Vieuxtemps certainly do in my book. :)

Quote from: Greta on June 06, 2007, 08:04:20 AM
Sibelius chamber works...
Sibelius piano works  :o
Any of his non-orchestral is very good and ofeten looked over.

Seconded.


I also think that Debussy's Cello Sonata doesn't get the air-time that it should (on radio, I mean). This recording is an absolute stunner, from it's finely shaped and superbly delivered opening onwards: