The GMG SF/Fantasy/Horror Club

[DavidW]

Tarzan on Mars!  Works for me!

[Mn Dave]

John Carter was first so it may be Carter of the Jungle. 

[karlhenning]

DUI? Dealing Drugs? Better Call Saul!

[karlhenning]

That's gotta be working out better than flogging Mendelssohn . . . .

[mc ukrneal]

Considering this series....worth my time?

Somehow I missed this. I read that book, but did not like it enough to read further. It's been too long for me to remember why.

[Mn Dave]

Found this from 2003. Was I on GMG back then?

DTW's 2003 List of Scaaary (Dark) Books

Lovecraft, H.P. [Various Collections] - Collection

Machen, Arthur [Various Collections] - Collection

Poe, Edgar Allan Complete Works - Collection

Stoker, Bram Dracula 1897 Novel

Kafka, Frank The Trial 1925 Novel

Thompson, Jim The Killer Inside Me 1952 Novel

Matheson, Richard I Am Legend 1954 Novel

Bradbury, Ray Something Wicked This Way Comes 1962Novel

Burgess, Anthony A Clockwork Orange 1962 Novel

Thompson, Jim Pop. 1280 1964 Novel

Blatty, William Peter The Exorcist 1971 Novel

Marasco, Robert Burnt Offerings 1973 Novel

King, Stephen Salem's Lot 1975 Novel

Masterton, Graham The Manitou 1975 Novel

Rice, Anne Interview With The Vampire 1976 Novel

King, Stephen The Shining 1977 Novel

King, Stephen The Stand 1978 Novel

Campbell, Ramsey The Face That Must Die 1979 Novel

King, Stephen The Dead Zone 1979 Novel

Stevens, Shane By Reason of Insanity 1979 Novel

Koontz, Dean Whispers 1980 Novel

Harris, Thomas Red Dragon 1981 Novel

King, Stephen Cujo 1981 Novel

Wilson, F. Paul The Keep 1981 Novel

King, Stephen Different Seasons 1982 Collection

Blatty, William Peter Legion 1983 Novel

Campbell, Ramsey Incarnate 1983 Novel

King, Stephen Christine 1983 Novel

King, Stephen Pet Sematary 1983 Novel

Lansdale, Joe The Night Runners 1983 Novel

McCammon, Robert Mystery Walk 1983 Novel

Banks, Ian The Wasp Factory 1984 Novel

Barker, Clive Books of Blood 1984 Collection

Koontz, Dean The Servants of Twilight 1984 Novel

Wilson, F. Paul The Tomb 1984 Novel

Simmons, Dan Song of Kali 1985 Novel

Masterton, Graham Night Warriors 1986 Novel

King, Stephen Misery 1987 Novel

Koontz, Dean Watchers 1987 Novel

McCammon, Robert Swan Song 1987 Novel

Miller, Rex Slob 1987 Novel

Slade, Michael Ghoul 1987 Novel

Campbell, Ramsey The Influence 1988 Novel

Harris, Thomas Silence of the Lambs 1988 Novel

Koontz, Dean Lightning 1988 Novel

Laymon, Richard Midnight's Lair 1988 Novel

McCammon, Robert Stinger 1988 Novel

Koontz, Dean Midnight 1989 Novel

Lansdale, Joe Cold In July 1989 Novel

Ligotti, Thomas Songs of a Dead Dreamer 1989 Collection

Sandford, John Rules of Prey 1989 Novel

Sandford, John Shadow Prey 1990 Novel

Strieber, Whitley Billy 1990 Novel

Ligotti, Thomas Grimscribe 1991 Collection

Masterton, Graham Master of Lies 1991 Novel

Sandford, John Eyes of Prey 1991 Novel

Wilson, F. Paul Sibs 1991 Novel

Wright, T.M. The Last Vampire 1991 Novel

Koontz, Dean Hideaway 1992 Novel

Masterton, Graham Prey 1992 Novel

Strieber, Whitley Unholy Fire 1992 Novel

Lee, Edward Creekers 1994 Novel

Ligotti, Thomas Noctuary 1994 Collection

Oates, Joyce Carol Zombie 1995 Novel

Ligotti, Thomas The Nightmare Factory 1996 Collection

Straub, Peter The Hellfire Club 1996 Novel

Douglas Clegg (as Andrew Harper) Bad Karma 1997 Novel

Jacob, Charlee This Symbiotic Fascination 1997 Novel

Koontz, Dean Fear Nothing 1997 Novel

Masterton, Graham The Chosen Child 1997 Novel

Clegg, Douglas The Nightmare Chronicles 1998 Collection

Hayder, Mo The Birdman 1999 Novel

O'Nan, Stewart A Prayer for the Dying 1999 Novel

Piccirilli, Tom Hexes 1999 Novel

Teran, Boston God is a Bullet 1999 Novel

Danielewski, Mark Z. House of Leaves 2000 Novel

Hayder, Mo The Treatment 2001 Novel

Piccirilli, Tom A Lower Deep 2001 Novel

Ligotti, Thomas My Work Is Not Yet Done 2002 Collection

Marshall, Michael The Straw Men 2002 Novel

Piccirilli, Tom The Night Class 2002 Novel

Simmons, Dan A Winter Haunting 2002 Novel

Burke, Kealan Patrick Ravenous Ghosts 2003 Collection

Piccirilli, Tom A Choir of Ill Children 2003 Novel

[eyeresist]

I've very disappointed to hear that Underworld 4 is a sequel to the messy, underachieving Evolution, instead of a prequel connecting Rise of the Lycans (surprisingly good) with the first film.

Vampires and werewolves in futuristic settings never really work, because it's their history that makes them interesting. Plus, the directors would have to do some pretty amazing casting to make up for the absence of Bill Nighy and Michael Sheen.

[Mn Dave]

Vampires and werewolves in futuristic settings never really work, because it's their history that makes them interesting.

I don't quite agree with this but, yeah, this movie will blow most likely. 

[DavidW]

Rise of the Lycans isn't really a good movie.  The first movie is a blatant rip-off of the matrix that works because it has Kate Beckinsale.  The second movie is way over the top violence and gore that well works because it has Kate Beckinsale.  The third movie was a completely unnecessary prequel filling in back story that we already know, and doesn't star Kate Beckinsale.

If the fourth movie has Beckinsale, I'll watch it.  It's a formula that works.  At least if it is set after Underworld 2 it won't be filling in back story!

[snyprrr]

Found this from 2003. Was I on GMG back then?

DTW's 2003 List of Scaaary (Dark) Books

Lovecraft, H.P. [Various Collections] - Collection

Machen, Arthur [Various Collections] - Collection

Poe, Edgar Allan Complete Works - Collection

Stoker, Bram Dracula 1897 Novel

Kafka, Frank The Trial 1925 Novel

Thompson, Jim The Killer Inside Me 1952 Novel

Matheson, Richard I Am Legend 1954 Novel

Bradbury, Ray Something Wicked This Way Comes 1962Novel

Burgess, Anthony A Clockwork Orange 1962 Novel

Thompson, Jim Pop. 1280 1964 Novel

Blatty, William Peter The Exorcist 1971 Novel

Marasco, Robert Burnt Offerings 1973 Novel

King, Stephen Salem's Lot 1975 Novel

Masterton, Graham The Manitou 1975 Novel

Rice, Anne Interview With The Vampire 1976 Novel

King, Stephen The Shining 1977 Novel

King, Stephen The Stand 1978 Novel

Campbell, Ramsey The Face That Must Die 1979 Novel

King, Stephen The Dead Zone 1979 Novel

Stevens, Shane By Reason of Insanity 1979 Novel

Koontz, Dean Whispers 1980 Novel

Harris, Thomas Red Dragon 1981 Novel

King, Stephen Cujo 1981 Novel

Wilson, F. Paul The Keep 1981 Novel

King, Stephen Different Seasons 1982 Collection

Blatty, William Peter Legion 1983 Novel

Campbell, Ramsey Incarnate 1983 Novel

King, Stephen Christine 1983 Novel

King, Stephen Pet Sematary 1983 Novel

Lansdale, Joe The Night Runners 1983 Novel

McCammon, Robert Mystery Walk 1983 Novel

Banks, Ian The Wasp Factory 1984 Novel

Barker, Clive Books of Blood 1984 Collection

Koontz, Dean The Servants of Twilight 1984 Novel

Wilson, F. Paul The Tomb 1984 Novel

Simmons, Dan Song of Kali 1985 Novel

Masterton, Graham Night Warriors 1986 Novel

King, Stephen Misery 1987 Novel

Koontz, Dean Watchers 1987 Novel

McCammon, Robert Swan Song 1987 Novel

Miller, Rex Slob 1987 Novel

Slade, Michael Ghoul 1987 Novel

Campbell, Ramsey The Influence 1988 Novel

Harris, Thomas Silence of the Lambs 1988 Novel

Koontz, Dean Lightning 1988 Novel

Laymon, Richard Midnight's Lair 1988 Novel

McCammon, Robert Stinger 1988 Novel

Koontz, Dean Midnight 1989 Novel

Lansdale, Joe Cold In July 1989 Novel

Ligotti, Thomas Songs of a Dead Dreamer 1989 Collection

Sandford, John Rules of Prey 1989 Novel

Sandford, John Shadow Prey 1990 Novel

Strieber, Whitley Billy 1990 Novel

Ligotti, Thomas Grimscribe 1991 Collection

Masterton, Graham Master of Lies 1991 Novel

Sandford, John Eyes of Prey 1991 Novel

Wilson, F. Paul Sibs 1991 Novel

Wright, T.M. The Last Vampire 1991 Novel

Koontz, Dean Hideaway 1992 Novel

Masterton, Graham Prey 1992 Novel

Strieber, Whitley Unholy Fire 1992 Novel

Lee, Edward Creekers 1994 Novel

Ligotti, Thomas Noctuary 1994 Collection

Oates, Joyce Carol Zombie 1995 Novel

Ligotti, Thomas The Nightmare Factory 1996 Collection

Straub, Peter The Hellfire Club 1996 Novel

Douglas Clegg (as Andrew Harper) Bad Karma 1997 Novel

Jacob, Charlee This Symbiotic Fascination 1997 Novel

Koontz, Dean Fear Nothing 1997 Novel

Masterton, Graham The Chosen Child 1997 Novel

Clegg, Douglas The Nightmare Chronicles 1998 Collection

Hayder, Mo The Birdman 1999 Novel

O'Nan, Stewart A Prayer for the Dying 1999 Novel

Piccirilli, Tom Hexes 1999 Novel

Teran, Boston God is a Bullet 1999 Novel

Danielewski, Mark Z. House of Leaves 2000 Novel

Hayder, Mo The Treatment 2001 Novel

Piccirilli, Tom A Lower Deep 2001 Novel

Ligotti, Thomas My Work Is Not Yet Done 2002 Collection

Marshall, Michael The Straw Men 2002 Novel

Piccirilli, Tom The Night Class 2002 Novel

Simmons, Dan A Winter Haunting 2002 Novel

Burke, Kealan Patrick Ravenous Ghosts 2003 Collection

Piccirilli, Tom A Choir of Ill Children 2003 Novel

Nice list

[Mn Dave]

Nice list

Thanks.

[eyeresist]

Rise of the Lycans isn't really a good movie.  The first movie is a blatant rip-off of the matrix that works because it has Kate Beckinsale.  The second movie is way over the top violence and gore that well works because it has Kate Beckinsale.  The third movie was a completely unnecessary prequel filling in back story that we already know, and doesn't star Kate Beckinsale.

Glad to see you've put a lot of thought into this! The first movie cribs its slow-motion gunfights and long leather coats from the Matrix, this is true, but the characters and story are quite different.

I don't understand the supposedly devastating fanboy criticism that the prequel "dealt with back story we already know". In that case, why watch any movie twice? I thought it was a tightly directed, well acted and wonderfully grim and claustrophobic retelling of the Romeo & Juliet story. My only real criticism of the film is the ridiculous love-making scene near the beginning, including one moment which is laugh-out-loud funny.

[Fëanor]

I'm starting to read ...

On Blue's Waters: Volume One of 'The Book of the Short Sun' ~ Gene Wolfe

The 'Short Sun' series, it seems, is a continuation of the 'Long Sun' series that I read 10-12 years ago.  I'm not a huge fan of endless sci-fi/fantasy series, but from what I've read, Gene Wolfe is the finest writer in the sci-fi genre ever, so I'm going for it.

   

[Mn Dave]

Gene Wolfe is the finest writer in the sci-fi genre ever

 

[karlhenning]

Dave in da house!

[Mn Dave]

Dave in da house!

[DavidW]

I was going to read Wolfe, but now maybe not.  Not only is "best ever" way over the top, but it's so demeaning to other fine scifi writers that it can only be made by somebody that either doesn't like scifi or has an ax to grind.

[Mn Dave]

...that it can only be made by somebody that either doesn't like scifi or has an ax to grind.

False.

[Fëanor]

I was going to read Wolfe, but now maybe not.  Not only is "best ever" way over the top, but it's so demeaning to other fine scifi writers that it can only be made by somebody that either doesn't like scifi or has an ax to grind.

However I'm not alone in this opinion -- check out Wolfe's Wikipedia item, (here); see under 'Importance'.

I have read one or more books by most of the prominent sci-fi writers, (in some cases many), and IMHO, Gene Wolfe is the best though not the only fine writer. You 'don't have to agree but you ought to read a couple of his works first.  I suggest you start with The Fifth Head of Cerberus and follow that up with The Book of the New Sun tetralogy.

[Mn Dave]

Bumping because I'm reading about zombies and a planet that went ape but not in the same book.