Brahms: Variations on a Theme by Joseph Haydn

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bhodges

June 07, 2007, 07:46:30 AM
After hearing a pleasant but somewhat routine version of this the other night, I'm wondering if anyone has any recording recommendations that might have a bit of um...excitement? 

--Bruce

karlhenning

#1
June 07, 2007, 07:49:51 AM
Great question! -- for this piece, especially, there is a lot of BAW* out there.

(* Business As Usual)

not edward

#2
June 07, 2007, 08:25:09 AM
Quote from: bhodges on June 07, 2007, 07:46:30 AM
After hearing a pleasant but somewhat routine version of this the other night, I'm wondering if anyone has any recording recommendations that might have a bit of um...excitement? 

--Bruce
Szell and Furtwangler certainly don't lack for oomph.
"I don't at all mind actively disliking a piece of contemporary music, but in order to feel happy about it I must consciously understand why I dislike it. Otherwise it remains in my mind as unfinished business."
-- Aaron Copland, The Pleasures of Music

bhodges

#3
June 07, 2007, 08:28:51 AM
Quote from: edward on June 07, 2007, 08:25:09 AM
Szell and Furtwangler certainly don't lack for oomph.

Thanks!  I will investigate both. 

--Bruce

Iago

#4
June 07, 2007, 11:51:31 AM
Szell is top-notch. There is a new release on the SONY Essentials" Great Perfomances" series It's combined with a superlative Symphony #1
Cat# 82876-76764-2.
"Good", is NOT good enough, when "better" is expected

BachQ

#5
June 08, 2007, 01:11:23 PM
Bruno Walter (Columbia SO/ Sony) (w/ sym 1)
Bernstein (VPO / DG) (w/sym 3)

Steve

#6
June 08, 2007, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: D Minor on June 08, 2007, 01:11:23 PM
Bruno Walter (Columbia SO/ Sony) (w/ sym 1)
Bernstein (VPO / DG) (w/sym 3)


I'd easily recommend the Bernstein.

Sergeant Rock

#7
June 08, 2007, 03:16:26 PM
Yep, I concur. Bernstein, Szell, Furtwängler (I have, let me check...three different versions: Berlin, Hamburg, Vienna).

But for something completely different, the HIP version that comes in the Mackerras Brahms Symphonies box is pure delight. Really sparkles.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

BachQ

#8
June 08, 2007, 04:57:43 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 08, 2007, 03:16:26 PM
the Mackerras Brahms Symphonies box

(((( ........ I'm pondering that set ....... ))))

Sergeant Rock

#9
June 08, 2007, 04:59:14 PM Last Edit: June 08, 2007, 05:01:19 PM by Sergeant Rock
Quote from: D Minor on June 08, 2007, 04:57:43 PM
(((( ........ I'm pondering that set ....... ))))

Recall Harry's family motto from his coat-of-arms: Don't Think, Buy

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

BachQ

#10
June 08, 2007, 05:01:12 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 08, 2007, 04:59:14 PM
Don't Think, Buy

Yep, that one will be on Harry's tombstone ..........

Mark

#11
June 08, 2007, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: Iago on June 07, 2007, 11:51:31 AM
Szell is top-notch. There is a new release on the SONY Essentials" Great Perfomances" series It's combined with a superlative Symphony #1
Cat# 82876-76764-2.


I believe I heard that Symphony No. 1 on the radio. Best I've yet heard.

Mozart

#12
June 08, 2007, 05:30:41 PM
Is it really a variation on a theme by Haydn?

not edward

#13
June 08, 2007, 05:32:50 PM
Quote from: Mozart on June 08, 2007, 05:30:41 PM
Is it really a variation on a theme by Haydn?
I think the theme's a misattribution of one by Pleyel, but I could be wrong.
"I don't at all mind actively disliking a piece of contemporary music, but in order to feel happy about it I must consciously understand why I dislike it. Otherwise it remains in my mind as unfinished business."
-- Aaron Copland, The Pleasures of Music

BachQ

#14
June 08, 2007, 05:38:05 PM
Quote from: edward on June 08, 2007, 05:32:50 PM
I think the theme's a misattribution of one by Pleyel, but I could be wrong.

The tune (called the St. Anthony Chorale) comes from a divertimento for winds attributed to Haydn and possibly written by Haydn's student, Ignaz Pleyel.

RebLem

#15
June 10, 2007, 02:51:36 AM
Get the Szell box of the symphonies.  It has excellent recordings of all the symphonies, though not the greatest available, except for, perhaps, the 3rd.  However, they all hit a very high standard, and his are, IMO, absolutely the best performances on record of the Haydn Variations, the Tragic Overture, and the Academic Festival Overture.
"Don't drink and drive; you might spill it."--J. Eugene Baker, aka my late father.

BachQ

#16
June 10, 2007, 03:28:20 AM
Quote from: RebLem on June 10, 2007, 02:51:36 AM
though not the greatest available,

Among the "greatest," though .......

MishaK

#17
June 10, 2007, 01:38:56 PM
Haven't really done a thorough cross comparison, but I just happened to listen to the Barenboim/CSO version which is fantastic. Such great colors. Some might find it too dark and brooding in places, but I love it.

Sergeant Rock

#18
June 10, 2007, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: O Mensch on June 10, 2007, 01:38:56 PM
Some might find it too dark and brooding in places...

I can't recall it. I have Barenboim's Brahms' box but haven't listened to the Variations since I first acqured it. You make it sound good. I'll have to hear it again.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

BachQ

#19
June 10, 2007, 03:01:07 PM
It is one of Brahms' more colorfully orchestrated pieces ....... so it's nice when a conductor can draw that out and capitalize on it .......
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