War music

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Here is one I recently ordered. It has songs from composers that either died or suffered during WWI. The songs themselves seem to not just be from the war period, but any during or after seem to be quite influenced by the war. I am looking forward to it when it finally arrives (a smallish Berkshire order - well, smallish is relative of course :) ).
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vandermolen

Quote from: jowcol on April 13, 2011, 12:15:23 PM
Forgive me if I've already posted this, but Holmboe's 5th symphony is a great wartime symphony, and the first two movements are really powerful.

Also Othel's 3rd is a wonderfully brooding work written under Nazi Occupation, and is easily on my ever-changing list of the top 10 20th Century Symphonies.
I like the  opening of Holmboe's choral 4th Symphony - which I have a feeling was in memory of his brother killed in the war but I may have gt this completely wrong. Must listen to the 5th again and the Orthel.
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jowcol

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Quote from: vandermolen on April 13, 2011, 12:26:01 PM
I like the  opening of Holmboe's choral 4th Symphony - which I have a feeling was in memory of his brother killed in the war but I may have gt this completely wrong. Must listen to the 5th again and the Orthel.

i believe Holmboe's brother was killed in a concentration camp (I ran across it earlier today>) .  I agree, the first movement is great of the forth.  The first movement of the Fifth is simply stunning, a lot of urgent rhtyhms, and the crashing brass in the last few minutes.  The second movement is a nice, melancholy slow movement that, for a couple minutes, erupts into a very powerful explosion with lots of percussion.  The last movement is a bit light for the rest of the work.  Still, It's my favorite Holmboe.


One thing I like about the Orthel is the circular structure,  after the chaotic march into madness, it returns to the same brooding figure the opens the work.  Stangely enough, the symphony as written pretty much on the demand of the nazis, since they required orchestras in occupied lands to play a given quota of native material.  It definitely has that Shostakovich feel to some degree, but the way it holds together slays me. That was my biggest find of 2009.
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Lethevich

Christo has been banging on about the Orthel for years ;D I've been sorely tempted and may finally pick it up next paycheque... Your description sounds great.
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jowcol

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Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on April 13, 2011, 08:39:18 PM
Christo has been banging on about the Orthel for years ;D I've been sorely tempted and may finally pick it up next paycheque... Your description sounds great.

There was a link to his Invocation posted a while back that still works for  a quick taste.  This is a short 4 minute work that has some of the same feel as the end of the 3rd.

http://www.mediafire.com/?gv2ynsnmqxt

I'm equally tempted by your description of Another Look at Harmony, Pt IV.  I'm hoping that you don't have the same dangerous effects on my wallet as Vandermolen, who is a very dangerous character....
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Duke Ellington

vandermolen

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Quote from: jowcol on April 14, 2011, 07:52:14 AM
There was a link to his Invocation posted a while back that still works for  a quick taste.  This is a short 4 minute work that has some of the same feel as the end of the 3rd.

http://www.mediafire.com/?gv2ynsnmqxt

I'm equally tempted by your description of Another Look at Harmony, Pt IV.  I'm hoping that you don't have the same dangerous effects on my wallet as Vandermolen, who is a very dangerous character....

Yes, but I am as much a victim as a perpetrator  ;D

Just listening to the Holmboe CD with symphonies 4 and 5 on - what a great disc. I enjoyed the whole of Symphony No 4 - not just the very exciting opening movement. I wonder why his brother ended up in a concentration camp. I found the last movement of Symphony No 4 to be very affecting - thanks for reminding me of this CD. No 5 is terrific - it must be one of the least known to me - but not any more.

I will be back with more recommendations for you in due course - so have your credit card handy  >:D
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Lethevich

Quote from: jowcol on April 14, 2011, 07:52:14 AM
There was a link to his Invocation posted a while back that still works for  a quick taste.  This is a short 4 minute work that has some of the same feel as the end of the 3rd.

http://www.mediafire.com/?gv2ynsnmqxt

Oh goodness, that is neat :)
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Sergeant Rock

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I just listened to Koechlin's Piano Quintet for the first time. It was his attempt to turn the suffering of war into music. The four movements are entitled:

1: Andante "The Obscure Wait of What Shall Be"
2: Allegro con moto "The Enemy Attack - The Wound"
3: Andante "Consoling Nature"
4: Allegro moderato "Finale - The Joy"


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the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

J.Z. Herrenberg

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on April 14, 2011, 09:14:07 AM
Oh goodness, that is neat :)


I could upload Orthel's Third Symphony (Christo gave it to me). Though his Second is the real gem...
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Lethevich

That would be super! I pondered the Etcetera 2 disc set, but unless I find it cheap it's going to have to wait until I have a better income -_-
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Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 08, 2011, 03:46:20 AM
That would be super! I pondered the Etcetera 2 disc set, but unless I find it cheap it's going to have to wait until I have a better income -_-

Here is an Orthel map, with symphonies 2, 3 and 4 and the Scherzo No. 2:


http://www.mediafire.com/?t26qehbnpz1jd






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