5 Worst Composers Ever!!

[Teresa]

.....except for Schoenberg, Berg and Webern, that is. 

If your going to be a completist, you forgot Telemann.  It pained me to have to leave off Haydn and Vivaldi but I was only allowed to choose five. 

I do hate Mozart most of all though so I guess I should have listed him first?   

[jhar26]

If your going to be a completist, you forgot Telemann.

No, I didn't. You ranked him below Mozart on your worst top five.

[Superhorn]

   Actually, the Wuorinen comission for an opera based on Brokeback Mountain was
cancelled due to the New York City opera' financial woes.
   Fortunately, the company is on its feet now and alive and kicking, and the acoustics of what is now called the David H. Koch theater have been markdely imporved according to reports.

[Elgarian]

I firmly believe that it is GOOD musical judgement to be honest about the talent of composers.

But the implication of this (if your opinion of Mozart is correct) seems to be that those who love the music of Mozart either have poor musical judgement, or are being dishonest. Seems a bit hard, as well as being not credible.

I know of no composer whose music I hate as much as Mozart's.

I can't help wondering why it troubles you so much.

[drogulus]

     Hating a composer is way too much investment. What purpose could it serve? Mild dislike is enough for me, and even better yet is indifference. Hate sounds too much like getting ready to really like it.*

      _{* Oh, no....is there an '80s hair band in my future?}

[Florestan]

I can't help wondering why it troubles you so much.

It's a question of being progressive, I guess. Having one composer's work worth the whole output of hundreds of others is a gross social injustice.

[Cato]

Separated at Birth?

I'm not a Mozart fan particulary, but I can't work up much anger for a composer I don't care for, even if I feel  they are overrated. (Unless we are talking about John Tesh, and then all bets are off!)

Has it not been definitively proven that Mozart was a fraud, stealing his works from assorted Bohemian, Italian, and even Rosicrucian composers?!   


So if he is so awful, that MUST be why!   0:)

[DavidRoss]

I disagree!  I firmly believe that it is GOOD musical judgement to be honest about the talent of composers (especially those of us who have studied musical composition) and to tell the truth about overrated composers.  Mozart is one such composer who has illegitimate undeserved status!  Mozart is a bad composer and his influence after his death held music down for over a century.  Classical music would have been much better if he was never born IMHO.  I know of no composer whose music I hate as much as Mozart's.

The error lies in imagining the deficiency lies in Mozart's music, rather than in your capacity to appreciate it. 

[Verena]

I feel there are several ways of appreciating a composer. Occasionally I have the impression that I somehow "get" why people consider someone a great composer, but I still cannot stand his music. I for one cannot get myself to liking Shostakovich; I really cannot stand him, however impressive his music.
And for a long time I also could not really appreciate Tchaikovsky. I could see that people find this music beautiful, but still I could not really enjoy it. Things are different today.
My hypothesis is that sometimes people hate a composer for the simple reason that a certain person - who may be the real target of their hatred - likes that very composer. This may be the case with children who want to distance themselves from their e.g., Chopin-loving parents. 
As far as Wagner is concerned, it may also be a matter of the composer's personality. I just cannot forget his personality (antisemitisim) when I listen to his music. I do think that this influences one's perception of the music, at least to some extent.

[jowcol]

Has it not been definitively proven that Mozart was a fraud, stealing his works from assorted Bohemian, Italian, and even Rosicrucian composers?!   


So if he is so awful, that MUST be why!   0:)

Worse than the Rosicrucians (is that possible?), it seems to be an unholy alliance between the Jesuits and the Illuminati, according to Robert Newman--

"The name of Mozart has long been synonymous with the term 'musical genius'. Mozart is the archetypal composer of the well known film, 'Amadeus'. (Whose trailer leads with the statement that, 'Everything you've heard is true'). And yet, there is growing but little known evidence from detailed study of manuscripts and other lines of evidence that Mozart's entire career was almost entirely manufactured. With the full assistance of the Jesuit Order and, later, from members of  fraternities after the Jesuit  ban in 1773, including individuals associated with the Freemasons and, still later, the Illuminati.  This manufacture of Mozart's status during his short lifetime and later, within western civilization generally by way of sympathetic biographies and music publishing is a classic case of systematic and deliberate misinformation in the area of culture which involved and still involves suppression of historical/musical fact. To create Mozart's huge and dominating status in western culture required steady supply to him throughout virtually all his life of works he never wrote, this on an extraordinary, even wholesale scale. A process still continuing even after his untimely death in December 1791. "

I'm afraid even to post this-- you don't want to mess with the Eye in the Pyramid.  All Hail Discordia!






if you check out the Illuminati news, you will find out that:
" Mesmer happened to be, believe it or not, the godfather of Amadeus Mozart. In fact he raised Mozart, and of course Mozart was this incredible genius musician and his biography will show you more than one obvious example of someone who behaves as if he were suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder. You can conclude that maybe Mesmer played around to enhance the musical abilities of Mozart at the cost of other parts of his personality. -


(* Note to self-- for a bizarre set of web pages, do a Google search on Illuminati Mind Control.  I've just learned very disturbing things about The Wizard of Oz, Elvis Presley and Lady Gaga*)


Another theory, that smacks of insidious PC relativism, states his early works were the products of his sister;   

http://naxosofamerica.blogspot.com/2010/04/wa-mozart-proven-fraud.html

[jlaurson]

I do not believe so, out of thousands of composers I've heard, I have not heard a single composer that is worst than Mozart.  Telemann comes close, but IMHO Mozart is the very bottom of the barrel.

I disagree!  I firmly believe that it is GOOD musical judgement to be honest about the talent of composers (especially those of us who have studied musical composition) and to tell the truth about overrated composers.  Mozart is one such composer who has illegitimate undeserved status!  Mozart is a bad composer and his influence after his death held music down for over a century.  Classical music would have been much better if he was never born IMHO.  I know of no composer whose music I hate as much as Mozart's.

It's amusing how trolls still get the better of us, when they spout their utter nonsense and taunt us with their (presumably faked) ignorance. But by even acknowledging such obvious ploys to be risible for being risible's sake, we debase ourselves to the level of the juvenile--nay: infantile--pseudo-argument of whoever "Teresa" is or purports to be. This isn't about reason or aesthetics, it's about having too much time and not knowing what to do with it on his/her part. Some cognitively challenged or merely muckraking sad little person's dumbing down and rehashing of old Glenn Gould arguments really isn't worth half a thread's of space and time worth.

[Josquin des Prez]

   Actually, the Wuorinen comission for an opera based on Brokeback Mountain was
cancelled due to the New York City opera' financial woes.

There is still a god out there it seems.

[Gurn Blanston]

if you check out the Illuminati news, you will find out that:
" Mesmer happened to be, believe it or not, the godfather of Amadeus Mozart. In fact he raised Mozart, and of course Mozart was this incredible genius musician and his biography will show you more than one obvious example of someone who behaves as if he were suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder. You can conclude that maybe Mesmer played around to enhance the musical abilities of Mozart at the cost of other parts of his personality. -


(* Note to self-- for a bizarre set of web pages, do a Google search on Illuminati Mind Control.  I've just learned very disturbing things about The Wizard of Oz, Elvis Presley and Lady Gaga*)

I know you were just funning us, but just to clear things up, Mesmer was NOT Mozart's godfather. His godfather was Johann Theophil Pergmayr of Salzburg. He had also been godfather to him who would have been Mozart's older brother 4 years earlier. In any case, the name "Theophilus" came to Wolfgang through Pergmayr, since it was tradition that at least one of a boy child's names came from the godfather... I know, not as much fun for the conspiracy theorists as Mesmer. It's just that incorporating him fails to account for the fact that he and Leopold din't meet until a Vienna trip in the early 1770's...

[DavidW]

I listened to Mozart's Horn concertos today.  What sublime works, I can't believe that some listen to them and become enraged.

[abidoful]

I feel there are several ways of appreciating a composer. Occasionally I have the impression that I somehow "get" why people consider someone a great composer, but I still cannot stand his music. I for one cannot get myself to liking Shostakovich; I really cannot stand him, however impressive his music.
And for a long time I also could not really appreciate Tchaikovsky. I could see that people find this music beautiful, but still I could not really enjoy it. Things are different today.
My hypothesis is that sometimes people hate a composer for the simple reason that a certain person - who may be the real target of their hatred - likes that very composer. This may be the case with children who want to distance themselves from their e.g., Chopin-loving parents. 
As far as Wagner is concerned, it may also be a matter of the composer's personality. I just cannot forget his personality (antisemitisim) when I listen to his music. I do think that this influences one's perception of the music, at least to some extent.

Yeah, you're right!I also think that disliking a composer can be a matter of contrasting personalities- like when you just don't get along with someone.

Funny that you should mention Shostakovic; I really don't like he's music and don't feel any real interest in him, though I realise that he is a major composer. Shostakovich remind's me  of Mahler, there is something very similar in them I think; all this "extramusical" unpure "behind the notes" stuff... ugh...!

About Wagner, I don't think that he's antisemitism is so evident in he's music. Apart from some minor touches like the BECKMESSER caricature. I think that it is the "fault" of National socialistic Germany and Hitler's admiration for Wagner which has ruined him in many minds and connected him with the horrors of WW2.

But to be fair, Wagner wasn't the only one who articulated antisemitistic feelings. Chopin- whom you mentioned- wrote also some nasty things about Jews. If you were a chopinist, I hope I didn't ruine it for you now

[Brahmsian]

I listened to Mozart's Horn concertos today.  What sublime works, I can't believe that some listen to them and become enraged.

They are as sublime, and in many cases, more sublime than any other of his works. 

[Scarpia]

I disagree!  I firmly believe that it is GOOD musical judgement to be honest about the talent of composers (especially those of us who have studied musical composition)

Hehehe, this the the best part of it, she has studied musical composition, and therefore has the basis for pronouncing Mozart an incompetent composer!

[Gurn Blanston]

Hehehe, this the the best part of it, she has studied musical composition, and therefore has the basis for pronouncing Mozart an incompetent composer!

Stunning revelation, wasn't it? 

And let's not make it sound better than it was: not just an incompetent composer, but the worst composer of all time. I admire her consistency.   

[karlhenning]

Hehehe, this the the best part of it, she has studied musical composition, and therefore has the basis for pronouncing Mozart an incompetent composer!

Stunning revelation, wasn't it? 

Well, I studied composition, but now it seems I studied at the wrong place(s), and with incompetent composers . . . because I learnt no such thing about Mozart . . . .

[Verena]

But to be fair, Wagner wasn't the only one who articulated antisemitistic feelings. Chopin- whom you mentioned- wrote also some nasty things about Jews. If you were a chopinist, I hope I didn't ruine it for you now

Yes, I am a chopinist of sort. Well, no longer, actually..