Beethoven in Period Performances

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Mandryka

Quote from: North Star on April 29, 2013, 09:11:03 AM
Michael Leslie, too.
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San Antone

Quote from: Brian on April 29, 2013, 09:34:47 AM
Nope, not finished. The last volume (which came 12 months ago) was a series of unpublished variations composed during the study years, so he's being very thorough. I wouldn't be surprised if the Diabellis are the final capstone to the project.

That was my thought as well.  All this talk of Brautigam got me wanting to hear him play No. 30 in the wake of recently hearing Crawford and Lubimov.  Hands down, (of those three) his is the one I prefer, but Penelope Crawford is very good too.  However, I could not listen to Lubimov for very long.

North Star

Quote from: Opus106 on April 29, 2013, 09:17:14 AM
Samples sound remarkably like a concert grand!

Yes indeed, I don't know how I managed to post it here (I certainly knew it wasn't a period instrument recording, as I have heard it...)
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Gurn recommended this and it came in today.  I was sure that it would be extremely difficult to beat the Beths/Weil recording of the violin concerto but it managed it!  Holy cow!  This is officially the reference disc I'm using--along with Immerseel's 5th--for anyone who argues that period instruments have a weak sound.  This is barn storming Beethoven and the program is brilliantly done; the Coriolan Overture makes an excellent prelude to the concerto.  This will definitely be getting much listening in the future.


Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Geo Dude on April 29, 2013, 04:10:03 PM


Gurn recommended this and it came in today.  I was sure that it would be extremely difficult to beat the Beths/Weil recording of the violin concerto but it managed it!  Holy cow!  This is officially the reference disc I'm using--along with Immerseel's 5th--for anyone who argues that period instruments have a weak sound.  This is barn storming Beethoven and the program is brilliantly done; the Coriolan Overture makes an excellent prelude to the concerto.  This will definitely be getting much listening in the future.



Thought you might like that; I found it to be ass-kickin'. I will concede the possibility, suggested earlier, that Zehetmair's playing style wasn't HIP enough, but it didn't hurt my feelings any. The overall package worked very nicely. :)

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Geo Dude

Has anyone heard both the Schroeder/Immerseel and Fleezanis/Huve recordings of Beethoven's violin sonatas?  If so, any thoughts?

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Geo Dude on April 30, 2013, 06:41:19 AM
Has anyone heard both the Schroeder/Immerseel and Fleezanis/Huve recordings of Beethoven's violin sonatas?  If so, any thoughts?

Sure. Fleezanis/Huvé sound like modern players playing old instruments, IMO. Schroeder/Immerseel sound like historic players playing old instruments. I enjoy  F/H quite a lot, don't regret having that set, but S/I are clearly more HIP... umm, HIPper... well whatever. :)

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Geo Dude

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on April 30, 2013, 06:44:40 AM
Sure. Fleezanis/Huvé sound like modern players playing old instruments, IMO. Schroeder/Immerseel sound like historic players playing old instruments. I enjoy  F/H quite a lot, don't regret having that set, but S/I are clearly more HIP... umm, HIPper... well whatever. :)

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So the cheaper set is more in line with my interests.  The horror, THE HORROR! ;)

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Geo Dude on April 30, 2013, 06:46:17 AM
So the cheaper set is more in line with my interests.  The horror, THE HORROR! ;)

Well really, how often does that happen!?  :)

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milk

Quote from: Geo Dude on April 30, 2013, 06:41:19 AM
Has anyone heard both the Schroeder/Immerseel and Fleezanis/Huve recordings of Beethoven's violin sonatas?  If so, any thoughts?
I have the Immerseel/Seiler recording. Gosh, I didn't realize there was an Immerseel/Schroeder as well.

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: milk on April 30, 2013, 04:13:28 PM
I have the Immerseel/Seiler recording. Gosh, I didn't realize there was an Immerseel/Schroeder as well.

It would, of course, be on the greatest label ever (for such things :) );



I would actually like to get that Immerseel / Seiler recording. I like their Mozart.

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San Antone

I just discovered this PI recording of the violin sonatas, which is pretty interesting.

Beethoven: Complete Pianoforte and Violin Sonatas
Jorja Fleezanis, Cyril Huve

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It is OOP with Amazon but found for under $18 from a seller. 

kishnevi

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on April 30, 2013, 04:52:59 PM
It would, of course, be on the greatest label ever (for such things :) );



I would actually like to get that Immerseel / Seiler recording. I like their Mozart.

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I have the Immerseel/Seiler set, and have to admit I was underwhelmed by it.   Possibly I had too high expectations for it?  I can't put my finger on the cause of my dissatisfaction, but something was missing in the performances. My favorites bring out some of the darker qualities of these works,  but this set seemed too bright (in terms of emotion, not instrumental timbres).

kishnevi

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While I'm ordering the Immerseel/Schroder set (which is so cheap that it's suspicious!),  I noticed this one, mentioned favorably in the lone Amazon review (who liked the Fluve and disliked this one) of the set I'm ordering.  Anyone know of it?
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BTW, the current incarnation of the Immerseel/Schroder is this one
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Fingers crossed that I'll like it better than the Immerseel/Seiler.

Pat B

Quote from: sanantonio on April 30, 2013, 06:22:52 PM
I just discovered this PI recording of the violin sonatas, which is pretty interesting.

Beethoven: Complete Pianoforte and Violin Sonatas
Jorja Fleezanis, Cyril Huve

[asin]B0001887YM[/asin]

It is OOP with Amazon but found for under $18 from a seller.

Better still: $12 from Berkshire (149993).

Gurn is correct that Fleezanis is not a period specialist, though I think Huvé is. Based on samples I chose them over Schröder, due to the latter's uncharacteristic vibrato, which is not necessarily non-HIP but is not my taste, and also over Seiler, who just sounded a bit plain. YMMV of course, and I know that everybody else can listen to samples too. I was somewhat surprised at my decision since Immerseel and his partners are all bigger names.

At these prices it's certainly possible to get both Schröder/Immerseel and Fleezanis/Huvé. For now I only wanted one set because my yet-to-listen stack is already way too tall (and it also includes the Johnson/Newman disc).

milk

There is also Linda Nicholson & Hiro Kurosaki. I'm sure someone commented on that set in this thread but I'll put it out here for any further comments.

San Antone

Quote from: Pat B on May 01, 2013, 06:39:04 AM
Better still: $12 from Berkshire (149993).

Gurn is correct that Fleezanis is not a period specialist, though I think Huvé is. Based on samples I chose them over Schröder, due to the latter's uncharacteristic vibrato, which is not necessarily non-HIP but is not my taste, and also over Seiler, who just sounded a bit plain. YMMV of course, and I know that everybody else can listen to samples too. I was somewhat surprised at my decision since Immerseel and his partners are all bigger names.

At these prices it's certainly possible to get both Schröder/Immerseel and Fleezanis/Huvé. For now I only wanted one set because my yet-to-listen stack is already way too tall (and it also includes the Johnson/Newman disc).

I must have overlooked the earlier discussion of this recording, thanks for the recap. 

I described it as very interesting precisely because of the use of period instruments with a edgy performance style.  I like it; and am not prone to put much stock in labels.  If the music causes me to sit up and take notice, in a good way, then it is fine by me whether or not it toes the line according HIP research.  I have several recordings of these sonatas and the music is so good I want a variety of approaches represented.  They all bring something worthwhile to the table and I enjoy them all for different reasons.

You are absolutely right, YMMMV.

:)

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: sanantonio on May 01, 2013, 06:45:25 AM
I must have overlooked the earlier discussion of this recording, thanks for the recap. 

I described it as very interesting precisely because of the use of period instruments with a edgy performance style.  I like it; and am not prone to put much stock in labels.  If the music causes me to sit up and take notice, in a good way, then it is fine by me whether or not it toes the line according HIP research.  I have several recordings of these sonatas and the music is so good I want a variety of approaches represented.  They all bring something worthwhile to the table and I enjoy them all for different reasons.

You are absolutely right, YMMMV.

:)

Just for the record, I like it too (that wasn't part of the original question). Edgy. Yes, that's a good adjective here. I have a couple more sets at home not mentioned here yet, I'll post tonight. One is Ryo Terakado (can't remember the fortepianist) on Denon. That's a fine set that I really enjoy.  :)

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Wakefield

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Just for the record, some four or five years ago, I posted about the existence of this usually forgotten (and hard to get) set of violin sonatas played on period instruments:



Quote from: Antoine Marchand on November 23, 2008, 02:58:08 PM
Are you sure, Rod Corkin?

Because I own this set and it's a very nice one:

Beethoven: Complete Violin Sonatas
Ryo Terakado, violin
Boyan Vodenitcharov, fortepiano
Denon
4 Cd's


CD 1:
Sonata for Violin and Piano N°5 in F major, Op. 24 ("Spring")
Sonata for Violin and Piano N°1 in D major, Op. 12 N°1
Sonata for Violin and Piano N°3 in E-flat major, Op. 12 N°3

Ryo Terakado, violin (Carlo Ferdinando Landolfi, Milano, 1772)
Boyan Vodenitcharov, fortepiano (Christopher Clarke, Cluny, 1986 after Anton Walter ca. 1795)
Recorded: St. Jacobs Kerk, Hemelveerdegem, Belgium, November 3-6, 1997.


CD 2:
12 Variations on "Se vuol ballare" from "Le nozze di Figaro" by Mozart, WoO40
Sonata for Violin and Piano N°2 in A major, Op. 12 N°2
Sonata for Violin and Piano N°4 in A minor, Op. 23
Rondo in G major WoO41
Six German Dances, WoO42

Ryo Terakado, violin (Carlo Ferdinando Landolfi, Milano, 1772)
Boyan Vodenitcharov, fortepiano (Rosenberger, Vienna, ca. 1802, from the collection of Edwin Beunk)
Recorded: Lovenjoel Kapel, Leuven, Belgium, January 18-22, 1999.


CD 3:
Sonata for Violin and Piano N°6 in A major, Op. 30 N°1
Sonata for Violin and Piano N°7 in C minor, Op. 30 N°2
Sonata for Violin and Piano N°8 in G, Op. 30 N°3

Ryo Terakado, violin (Carlo Ferdinando Landolfi, Milano, 1772)
Boyan Vodenitcharov, fortepiano (Rosenberger, Vienna, ca. 1802, from the collection of Edwin Beunk)
Recorded: Oud-Katholieke Kerk, Delft, The Netherlands, August 10-13, 2000.


CD4:
Sonata for Violin and Piano N°9 in A major, Op. 47 "Kreutzer"
Sonata for Violin and Piano N°10 in G major, Op. 96

Ryo Terakado, violin (Carlo Ferdinando Landolfi, Milano, 1772)
Boyan Vodenitcharov, fortepiano (Lagrassa, Vienna, ca. 1806, from the collection of Edwin Beunk)
Recorded: Festhalle Viersen, Germany, March 22-25, 2005.

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