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Re: Havergal Brian.
« Reply #8020 on: December 17, 2020, 02:30:14 AM »
Alas, no. We'll just have to be patient, I guess. Another nice thing on the horizon, though, is a DVD of the Brisbane 'Gothic' of 2010...
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« Reply #8021 on: December 17, 2020, 05:04:02 AM »
Thanks. I'm sure that when it eventually appears this recording of Faust with the forces of ENO will be a spectacular vindication of Brian's operatic mastery... ;D
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« Reply #8022 on: December 17, 2020, 05:17:59 AM »
In preparation for that event, you can always study the piano reduction:

https://ump.co.uk/catalogue/havergal-brian-faust/
Several symphonies can now be studied in score online. Check the HBS site.
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« Reply #8023 on: December 17, 2020, 04:14:13 PM »
Exciting new release!


Of course, I must own this but I wish Groves had recorded Part 2 as well.  :(

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« Reply #8024 on: December 18, 2020, 12:08:41 AM »
Of course, I must own this but I wish Groves had recorded Part 2 as well.  :(
Yes, I agree but I prefer the orchestral sections (apart from the ethereal last chord of the finale).
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« Reply #8025 on: December 28, 2020, 03:03:42 PM »
Hi everyone,

Here's a late Christmas present!

I can't tell you how delighted I was to find this today - the documentary "The Grateful and the Dead", about the rock band The Grateful Dead and their Rex Foundation, which subsidised the performance of neglected classical music. I saw this on TV back in 1992 and kept hoping somebody would upload it - and they have!

This documentary is now on YouTube and contains rarely-seen footage of HB and the rehearsals for the Bratislava performance of The Gothic. And several other neglected and worthy composers besides. Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/x1ZKCVaPw7c

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« Reply #8026 on: December 28, 2020, 03:16:03 PM »
PS The HB section starts around 24 minutes in ..... immediately followed by Bob Simpson! What's not to like?

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« Reply #8027 on: December 28, 2020, 03:18:37 PM »
Nice! I remember watching that, too. Many thanks for this great find!
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« Reply #8028 on: February 11, 2021, 11:24:49 AM »
Enthusiastic review of new Heritage release of Charles Groves conducting Part 1 of the Gothic Symphony. I didn't know or have forgotten that Brian sanction performances of the orchestral movements without the choral finale:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Feb/Brian-sy1-HTGCD172.htm
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

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« Reply #8029 on: February 11, 2021, 11:39:42 AM »
Will read. If they are enthusiastic, so am I. 'In Memoriam' gets its best performance and Part 1 of The Gothic, although a bit rough around the edges, is very exciting. That climax in the Vivace, with the three giant chords, is taken very slowly, and it works very well.
Update: good review! Totally agree.
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« Reply #8030 on: February 13, 2021, 05:58:15 AM »
Will read. If they are enthusiastic, so am I. 'In Memoriam' gets its best performance and Part 1 of The Gothic, although a bit rough around the edges, is very exciting. That climax in the Vivace, with the three giant chords, is taken very slowly, and it works very well.
Update: good review! Totally agree.

Completely agree.  Very good and exciting performance I very much enjoyed.  Wish we had his part 2 though.  i like his pacing better than Boults maybe even my favorite.

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« Reply #8031 on: February 21, 2021, 10:44:16 AM »
I'm into session 4 (of 8) of a Havergal Brian symphony run. First time I'll have listened to all 32 in numerical order.

Planned (or already completed) schedule:

Session 1: No. 1 (yesterday)
Session 2: Nos. 2-3 (yesterday)
Session 3: Nos. 4-6 (earlier today)
Session 4: Nos. 7-9 (currently playing No. 7 as I write)
Session 5: Nos. 10-15
Session 6: Nos. 16-20
Session 7: Nos. 21-26
Session 8: Nos. 27-32

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« Reply #8032 on: February 21, 2021, 11:22:28 AM »
That sounds wonderful. You will notice that every symphony has its own character.  While I do have my favorites, I am very glad we have 32 of them! Happy listening!
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« Reply #8033 on: March 25, 2021, 01:13:09 PM »
The thing everyone knows about Brian is that he wrote one of the longest symphonies ever. I like to remind people that he also wrote some short symphonies, including one of the shortest ever written, #22.
I had thought that this symphony was the shortest symphony written in Britain, however today I came across the late C18 symphonies of John Marsh. One of these, #3 on the Olympia disc, lasts 9:14, easily beating the very lengthy HB #22 (9:22 in the Walker version).  :)

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« Reply #8034 on: March 25, 2021, 03:50:30 PM »
Hi everyone,

Here's a late Christmas present!

I can't tell you how delighted I was to find this today - the documentary "The Grateful and the Dead", about the rock band The Grateful Dead and their Rex Foundation, which subsidised the performance of neglected classical music. I saw this on TV back in 1992 and kept hoping somebody would upload it - and they have!

This documentary is now on YouTube and contains rarely-seen footage of HB and the rehearsals for the Bratislava performance of The Gothic. And several other neglected and worthy composers besides. Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/x1ZKCVaPw7c

Eh eh, I've recorded there with that orchestra!  More relevant to the topic, I recorded lots of rehearsal videos of Brisbane Gothic which was the first concert performance in 30 years.  I might upload if people care but I recall the video wasn't in great quality as I had a mediocre camera in 2010. 

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« Reply #8035 on: March 25, 2021, 04:45:03 PM »
The thing everyone knows about Brian is that he wrote one of the longest symphonies ever. I like to remind people that he also wrote some short symphonies, including one of the shortest ever written, #22.
I had thought that this symphony was the shortest symphony written in Britain, however today I came across the late C18 symphonies of John Marsh. One of these, #3 on the Olympia disc, lasts 9:14, easily beating the very lengthy HB #22 (9:22 in the Walker version).  :)
So, is the Marsh called 'Symphonia Brevisissima'?
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« Reply #8036 on: March 25, 2021, 04:49:12 PM »
Eh eh, I've recorded there with that orchestra!  More relevant to the topic, I recorded lots of rehearsal videos of Brisbane Gothic which was the first concert performance in 30 years.  I might upload if people care but I recall the video wasn't in great quality as I had a mediocre camera in 2010.
I care! And it's the audio that mainly matters, as far as I'm concerned. Just realized: you play the trombone, so you must have participated in those awesome pedal notes in the Vivace... !
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« Reply #8037 on: March 25, 2021, 05:39:30 PM »
The thing everyone knows about Brian is that he wrote one of the longest symphonies ever. I like to remind people that he also wrote some short symphonies, including one of the shortest ever written, #22.
I had thought that this symphony was the shortest symphony written in Britain, however today I came across the late C18 symphonies of John Marsh. One of these, #3 on the Olympia disc, lasts 9:14, easily beating the very lengthy HB #22 (9:22 in the Walker version).  :)
If I were to conduct it, it will probably come in at 8:59!
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« Reply #8038 on: March 25, 2021, 08:22:37 PM »
If I were to conduct it, it will probably come in at 8:59!
Ah, but then you’d conduct the Marsh symphony similarly fast.  ;)

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« Reply #8039 on: March 25, 2021, 09:11:20 PM »
Ah, but then you’d conduct the Marsh symphony similarly fast.  ;)
But I'd play it like it's Morton Feldman...
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