Unidentified cello concerto

[Botafogo]

Hello to everyone.

Once more I come to ask for your help.

I will upload he 3 movements of an unknown cello concerto. It's probably from the classical period. Maybe its title (and composer) is too obvious, but I can't imagine what it must be.

(mov I attached)

Kind regards.

[Botafogo]

Mov II attached.

[Botafogo]

Mov III attached.

Thanks to everybody and kindest regards.

[Que]

Hello to everyone.

Once more I come to ask for your help.

I will upload he 3 movements of an unknown cello concerto. It's probably from the classical period. Maybe its title (and composer) is too obvious, but I can't imagine what it must be.

(mov I attached)

Kind regards.

I do not recognise it, but did you check Boccherini's cello concertos?

Q

[Botafogo]

Hello Que.

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I did. It's not one of Boccherini's Cello Concertos. It's my supposition that this is one of the works  misatributted to Haydn, probably "his" Cello Concerto no. 5 (forged by David Popper), which was composed in the key of C Major (the same of the concerto uploaded here), but I couldn't find any sample to compare.

Kind regards.

[m_gigena]

Nice old recording, can you upload the complete work?

[johnQpublic]

Not Haydnesque, IMO.

At first it sounded a bit Italian like Paisiello. But the use of clarinets and a strange modulation early in the last movement suggests something further North (Germany, Austria, Bohemia). My gut says it was either written around 1795-1805 by a rather ordinary second-tier composer or else it's a fake.

[JoshLilly]

Unless the performance uses altered orchestration for this performance, it's not from that time period. That's mid-19th century at the earliest. That's my call. I mean, listen to the 3rd movement stuff. Er... sounds like someone was trying awkwardly to immitate the 1790s.  1:03-1:08 from before 1850? No way.

[paul]

Hello Que.

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I did. It's not one of Boccherini's Cello Concertos. It's my supposition that this is one of the works  misatributted to Haydn, probably "his" Cello Concerto no. 5 (forged by David Popper), which was composed in the key of C Major (the same of the concerto uploaded here), but I couldn't find any sample to compare.

Kind regards.

I checked it against the attributed fourth Haydn cello concerto and it's not that one and I'm pretty sure it's not the 5th which I've heard a few times.

[Chafing Dish]

I am giving up on this one. It ate up 15 minutes of my day, though.

I do think the middle movement is so strange that I'm inclined to think it's a style copy from a much later period.

[sporkadelic]

Bingo.

Cello Concerto, Hob.VIIb:5

"Edited" by Popper.

[maestroukr]

I actually edited this concerto some time ago. It is a Popper forgery, much like the Henri Casadesus and the J.C. Bach Viola Concerto! That is why it does not sound like Haydn. I would love to get the recording to the Haydn-Popper, though. Would you be able to upload the entire thing? By the way, who is playing?

[profpf]

Lovely playing by the cellist. The recording sounds as though it's pre-1960 at least.

[Botafogo]

Bingo.

Cello Concerto, Hob.VIIb:5

"Edited" by Popper.

You're right! FORGED by Popper.

I actually edited this concerto some time ago. It is a Popper forgery, much like the Henri Casadesus and the J.C. Bach Viola Concerto! That is why it does not sound like Haydn. I would love to get the recording to the Haydn-Popper, though. Would you be able to upload the entire thing? By the way, who is playing?

Sviatoslav Knushevitsky and Alexander Gauk conducting (now out on Brilliant's Russian Archives edition dedicated to Sviatoslav Knushevitsky).

Lovely playing by the cellist. The recording sounds as though it's pre-1960 at least.

Apparently you're correct.