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Re: In-Between: Quarter-Tone Egyptian Jazz!!!???
« Reply #140 on: September 22, 2016, 03:05:37 AM »
From the September 22, 2016 Wall Street Journal:

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...Mr. Maalouf plays on a trumpet with four valves, a technique pioneered in the 1960s by his father, Nassim Maalouf. By adding that fourth valve, Mr. Maalouf can play the quartertones that hide between the 12 notes of the chromatic scale, which provides the backbone for most Western music.

Following an award-studded career as a classical trumpet player, Mr. Maalouf self-trained as a jazz musician, and his custom-made instrument allows him to reach the half-sharps and half-flats that are tricky for other trumpet players to articulate. It is those quartertones that are characteristic of Arabic music, a tradition from which the trumpet is mostly absent. Mr. Maalouf fuses Western and Eastern traditions, and in his compositions the 12 tones of standard jazz scales merge with the 55 of Arabic makamlar....



See:  http://www.wsj.com/articles/kalthoum-by-ibrahim-maalouf-review-the-power-of-one-valve-1474488862

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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #141 on: September 22, 2016, 03:08:29 AM »
Those shady quarter-tones!
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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #142 on: September 22, 2016, 03:09:37 AM »
Those shady quarter-tones!

 ;)  Not much shade in Egypt!  But I must wonder about that parka he is wearing in the music video!  ???
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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #143 on: September 22, 2016, 03:49:36 AM »
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/UNaJjWTEEDs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/UNaJjWTEEDs</a>

Interesting call-&-response between an Asia-style arena-prog "head" and the generally soft-breathed solo.
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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #144 on: September 22, 2016, 05:35:51 AM »
Many things by Maalouf on YouTube: my impression is that the microtonal aspect is more ornamental than a substantive part of the harmony.  Skimming through, I found some fun and nicely done things!
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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #145 on: September 22, 2016, 05:50:37 AM »
;)  Not much shade in Egypt!  But I must wonder about that parka he is wearing in the music video! 

Taken from the youtube vid: "with shoots from "Dans les forets de Sibérie" movie".
Microtones of course as much easier on stringed instruments without frets.
(Must admit the music doesn't do a lot for me, would rather sans the repeating vamp...)
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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #146 on: September 22, 2016, 07:31:30 AM »
(Must admit the music doesn't do a lot for me, would rather sans the repeating vamp...)

Sounds a bit like a Genesis cover band . . . .
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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #147 on: September 22, 2016, 08:15:16 AM »
Nowadays, it seems like most contemporary chamber music works have some degree of microtonality, usually not using an entire microtonal equal-tempered scale, but rather looking out for specific-sounding harmonies and sonorities, especially through contrast between one instrument or instrumental group and another.

From what I vaguely understand, this is standard practice in spectral music.

Ligeti's Ramifications for two quarter-tone apart string orchestras https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXbr1nyMFUc
Ligeti's Hamburg Concerto contrasting overtone natural harmonics of horns with traditional equal-tempered orchestra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXWjayXSzcE and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqVV_CUQzT4
Grisey's Vortex Temporum with microtonally-tuned piano contrasting with standard instrumental tuning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXaNFBzgDWI
Xenaki's Eonta with overtone brass contrasting the piano, as before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIZuHBKgfoc and Anaktoria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhTPo9bjOko and others.

Or... swarms of instrumental glissando are a microtonality too.

Xenakis's Metastasis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZazYFchLRI
Penderecki's Threnody https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HilGthRhwP8
and anything heavily based on glissando

Or vocal microtonality.

Luigi Nono's Prometheus Suite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n-JuMnzVgA

... I wish I had more examples of microtonal choral music.

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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #148 on: September 22, 2016, 11:02:22 AM »
Anybody know this? Panufnik's Kolysanka

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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #149 on: September 22, 2016, 11:28:21 AM »
Microtones of course as much easier on stringed instruments without frets.
(Must admit the music doesn't do a lot for me, would rather sans the repeating vamp...)

Sounds a bit like a Genesis cover band . . . .

Many things by Maalouf on YouTube: my impression is that the microtonal aspect is more ornamental than a substantive part of the harmony.


... I wish I had more examples of microtonal choral music.

Try this!

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/GIb6CebsDYA&amp;index=1&amp;list=PLUSRfoOcUe4ahT5GOSZZLWPJI7vaDepIu" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/GIb6CebsDYA&amp;index=1&amp;list=PLUSRfoOcUe4ahT5GOSZZLWPJI7vaDepIu</a>
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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #150 on: January 19, 2017, 12:17:46 AM »
Some of microtonal music recordings I enjoyed recently.

Rhys Chatham: Pythagorean Dream (Foom, 2016)


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-VjkFdSwLsijnAIOrqfTo6bA_AeosPim
Chatham plays the Pythagorean tuning guitar, flute and trumpet. Deep and rich.

Chris Brown: Six Primes (New World Records, 2016)


http://www.newworldrecords.org/album.cgi?rm=view&album_id=94309
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Six Primes is composed using the first six prime numbers 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, and 13 to govern both its tuning and temporal structure, including harmony, rhythmic subdivisions, and form.

Dave Seidel: The Problem of Moments (2016)

https://mysterybear.bandcamp.com/album/hexany-permutations
Hexany Permutations was inspired by Tom Johnson's piece "The Chord Catalogue," where all of the possible chords that occur within one octave for a given scale are presented [...] The scale uses the following ratios: 1/1, 7/6, 5/4, 35/24, 5/3, 7/4, 2/1, and is tuned to 1/1 = 180 Hz.

Overtone Ensemble (Important Records, 2016)


http://theovertoneensemble.com.au/
The Overtone Ensemble perform and record using microtonally tuned metal rod instruments designed and built by Tim Catlin.

Schweinitz/Lamb: Plainsound Counterpoint / Mirrors


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pweb_QtiglA
Schweinitz: Seven 23-limit Harmony Intonation Studies for double bass solo
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David First / The World Casio Quartet - The Complete Gramavision Session (1989)


http://www.pogus.com/21084.html
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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #151 on: January 19, 2017, 02:41:56 AM »
Some of microtonal music recordings I enjoyed recently.


Thanks for this!

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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #152 on: January 19, 2017, 08:22:58 AM »
Try this!

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/GIb6CebsDYA&amp;index=1&amp;list=PLUSRfoOcUe4ahT5GOSZZLWPJI7vaDepIu" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/GIb6CebsDYA&amp;index=1&amp;list=PLUSRfoOcUe4ahT5GOSZZLWPJI7vaDepIu</a>

OK, I'm having a Microtonal Breakdown here... that Choral Music sounded like the wailing of the damned to me... what would Jesus think of this?? I'd be like, "Don't muddy up my adoration with all that weepy muck... I want exaltation and glory, not droopy weepy... come on, where's the love?"


I'm sorry, afterr the three Ives pieces, I feel like I'm done with whatever it is people are calling the microtones these days... I mean, EVERYTHING I hear- the more microtonal it's claimed to be, the more ennui I HEAR coming out of the speakers, as if the only "mood" microtonal composition can engender is a gray overcast depressing rainy day... oy vey, help me out here!!


And, at this point in History, I just consider ornamental bending as microtones,... like the "blues" bending... yea, I know it sounds that way, but, the harmony is still I-IV-V, so, just bending is just "expression" and not structural.

aANY STRUCTURAL MICROTONAL PIECE I'VE HEARD JUST ENDS UP SOUNDING LIKE THE DREARY STUFF I'VE ALREADY HEARD- Wyschnegradsky, Ezra Sims, the Ives pieces, Lou Harrison... Well Tempered Piano... guitatr....

spectral... microtonal... fancy pants...


NO CLOTHES... THE KING HAS NO CLOTHES!!!!!!!!


45 tones per octave--- BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!.... you might as well call it witchcraft...  sorry, now I'm just ranting and hating :-[


It's just that everyone seems to take this sooooo seriously, and the results are always horrendous.... HORRENDOUS!!!~!


iT'S THAT eZRA sIMS DISC THAT DID IT TO ME... sorry, CapsMania... Ezra Sims, that CRI disc... can't stand it...

It's like the notes are TOO close together, like houses that are built too close... no body wants to be that cramped...


MICROTONES GIVE ME THE CRAMPS!!

There, I said it- don't cramp my style with microtonal harmony....gaaaaah



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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #153 on: January 19, 2017, 08:24:25 AM »
Off the top of my head- The Best Example of Microtones in the History of History:

the guitar solo for 'My Guitar Gently Weeps'


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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #154 on: January 19, 2017, 10:08:42 PM »
Thanks for this!

And your latest work is very nice. I've been enjoying the recent clips but I'm glad to hear a new piece using alternate tunings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooCRXM00VrQ

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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #155 on: January 19, 2017, 10:16:58 PM »
... I wish I had more examples of microtonal choral music.

Also, how about this?
Michael Harrison: Just Constellations - Roomful of Teeth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvYiHLHoe2g&list=WL&index=171%5B/url


It's like the notes are TOO close together, like houses that are built too close... no body wants to be that cramped...


MICROTONES GIVE ME THE CRAMPS!!

There, I said it- don't cramp my style with microtonal harmony....gaaaaah

But 64/63 comma sounds better than a 12ET semitone!

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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #156 on: January 20, 2017, 02:36:56 AM »
And your latest work is very nice. I've been enjoying the recent clips but I'm glad to hear a new piece using alternate tunings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooCRXM00VrQ
You're very kind! Thanks!

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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #157 on: January 20, 2017, 09:47:18 AM »

But 64/63 comma sounds better than a 12ET semitone!

EXACTLY!! ::) :laugh:

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Re: In-Between: The Microtonal Universe
« Reply #158 on: May 26, 2017, 02:21:26 PM »
*swoons*

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