Nikolay Miaskovsky (1881-1950)

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Brahmsian

Quote from: André on April 28, 2021, 11:49:22 AM
You're too modest, Jeffrey. Willy-nilly, you ARE an authority on Myaskovsky  ;).

I would go one step even further to say that Jeffrey is a leading authority on any Russian composer that isn't 100% mainstream.  :)

vandermolen

Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 29, 2021, 10:37:01 AM
I would go one step even further to say that Jeffrey is a leading authority on any Russian composer that isn't 100% mainstream.  :)
HAHA  :)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 29, 2021, 06:17:28 AM
This disc landed just yesterday.
Excellent Karl. If I say so myself, I think it's a really nice collection of NYM's works. The Divertissement is much more interesting than I originally thought.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Karl Henning

Quote from: vandermolen on April 29, 2021, 10:55:30 AM
Excellent Karl. If I say so myself, I think it's a really nice collection of NYM's works. The Divertissement is much more interesting than I originally thought.

I'm reserving it for First-Listen Friday, Jeffrey! 8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: vandermolen on April 29, 2021, 12:51:54 AM
I've been listening to the late 'Divertissement' Op.80 from 1948, the year in which Miaskovsky, along with Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Popov and Shebalin was condemned during the notorious Zhdanov purges. It's a much more interesting work than I realised and lasts 26 minutes; sections (the first movement's waltz) reminded me of Ovchinnikov's score for the film 'War and Peace'  - altogether a most enjoyable work:


Good notes for the CD, Jeffrey!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 29, 2021, 10:37:01 AM
I would go one step even further to say that Jeffrey is a leading authority on any Russian composer that isn't 100% mainstream.  :)

Insofar as I may judge, I think that claim runs small risk of refutation 8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

vandermolen

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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 29, 2021, 11:34:06 AM
Good notes for the CD, Jeffrey!
Thank you Karl! Means a lot coming from you. Those notes were a bit of a labour of love. I really enjoyed doing the research and trying to find information about relatively unknown works. Also, I discovered that 'Silence' was not inspired by 'The Raven' by Edgar Allan Poe, as suggested in the Marco Polo booklet, but by an entirely different work.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Karl Henning

Quote from: vandermolen on May 01, 2021, 12:48:27 AM
Thank you Karl! Means a lot coming from you. Those notes were a bit of a labour of love. I really enjoyed doing the research and trying to find information about relatively unknown works. Also, I discovered that 'Silence' was not inspired by 'The Raven' by Edgar Allan Poe, as suggested in the Marco Polo booklet, but by an entirely different work.


"The Raven" was a peculiar bit of speculation, on that writer's part.  It is a long time since I read Poe's fable, but I've got it right here on my Nook.

I especially noted Prokofiev and Myaskovsky playing a four-hands version, partly because of the labor the transcription must have entailed, but even more because if Prokofiev suffered any doubts of the piece's worth, I should have expected him as a friend to share those artistic misgivings with his characteristic candor (non-filtration, sometimes, on Prokofiev's part.)


Silence is every bit the stand-out work I was hoping to find.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

vandermolen

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 01, 2021, 09:20:52 AM
"The Raven" was a peculiar bit of speculation, on that writer's part.  It is a long time since I read Poe's fable, but I've got it right here on my Nook.

I especially noted Prokofiev and Myaskovsky playing a four-hands version, partly because of the labor the transcription must have entailed, but even more because if Prokofiev suffered any doubts of the piece's worth, I should have expected him as a friend to share those artistic misgivings with his characteristic candor (non-filtration, sometimes, on Prokofiev's part.)


Silence is every bit the stand-out work I was hoping to find.
I'm so glad that 'Silence' has been a hit with you Karl. I've been playing it a lot myself recently.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Tom 1960



I recently saw this box set at an area music shop used for $6! To be honest, I am not very familiar with his music. Convince me I was wrong to pass on this.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Tom 1960 on May 02, 2021, 08:57:03 AM


I recently saw this box set at an area music shop used for $6! To be honest, I am not very familiar with his music. Convince me I was wrong to pass on this.

Definitely worth so modest an investment, Tom!

https://www.youtube.com/v/bHb6JMXJW8o
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Roasted Swan

I have all the original Olympia releases in this series - 17 discs as I recall - plus several other old Olympia releases.  BUT I've never really had a Miaskovsky light-bulb moment.  I remember liking an LP of the violin concerto wih Kogan (I think?).  So in the light of the recent forum Miaskovsky love-in I'm making him my next composer-to-be-rehabilitated!  Starting with Symphony 21 that was mentioned earlier today then perhaps No.6 which I also have in the Jarvi/DG version (and the Dudarova as well - but I find her dull in just about every disc I have - her Kalinnikov was awful!)......

André

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Quote from: Tom 1960 on May 02, 2021, 08:57:03 AM


I recently saw this box set at an area music shop used for $6! To be honest, I am not very familiar with his music. Convince me I was wrong to pass on this.

Go back to the record store, Tom !  :D

Last November/December I listened to that set and a few other discs of his music. It's instantly recognizable even if it doesn't sound bold or original at first. Once his sound world is imprinted on the mind it stays there.

aligreto

Quote from: Tom 1960 on May 02, 2021, 08:57:03 AM


I recently saw this box set at an area music shop used for $6! To be honest, I am not very familiar with his music. Convince me I was wrong to pass on this.

Go back immediately and put your $6 down!

Tom 1960

Quote from: aligreto on May 02, 2021, 02:19:06 PM
Go back immediately and put your $6 down!
It will be Tuesday. Hopefully it's still there! Thanks for the input fellas.

Irons

Quote from: Roasted Swan on May 02, 2021, 10:38:44 AM
I have all the original Olympia releases in this series - 17 discs as I recall - plus several other old Olympia releases.  BUT I've never really had a Miaskovsky light-bulb moment.  I remember liking an LP of the violin concerto wih Kogan (I think?).  So in the light of the recent forum Miaskovsky love-in I'm making him my next composer-to-be-rehabilitated!  Starting with Symphony 21 that was mentioned earlier today then perhaps No.6 which I also have in the Jarvi/DG version (and the Dudarova as well - but I find her dull in just about every disc I have - her Kalinnikov was awful!)......

If Kogan recorded the VC I would like to hear it. I think it more likely Grigori Feigin.
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

Roasted Swan

Quote from: Irons on May 02, 2021, 11:21:48 PM
If Kogan recorded the VC I would like to hear it. I think it more likely Grigori Feigin.

You are of course completely right.  I twitched when I wrote that thinking I was wrong....  I meant Kogan's recording of the Vainberg (as it was spelt on the original LP cover)



cracking disc!

vandermolen

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Quote from: Roasted Swan on May 02, 2021, 10:38:44 AM
I have all the original Olympia releases in this series - 17 discs as I recall - plus several other old Olympia releases.  BUT I've never really had a Miaskovsky light-bulb moment.  I remember liking an LP of the violin concerto wih Kogan (I think?).  So in the light of the recent forum Miaskovsky love-in I'm making him my next composer-to-be-rehabilitated!  Starting with Symphony 21 that was mentioned earlier today then perhaps No.6 which I also have in the Jarvi/DG version (and the Dudarova as well - but I find her dull in just about every disc I have - her Kalinnikov was awful!)......
The Dudarova is the longest on disc. Jarvi is better, Kondrashin (Russian Disc/Alto) is best of all but the Jarvi recording allows much more detail to be heard (like the funereal drumbeats at the end of the first movement). With Miaskovsky, the music can sound rather 'academic' but these are sometimes broken through by moments of great beauty, often accompanied by an underlying sadness (trio of the Scherzo of Symphony 6 for example) which I find very moving.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

Quote from: aligreto on May 02, 2021, 02:19:06 PM
Go back immediately and put your $6 down!
Yes, sounds like an exceptional deal!
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Brahmsian

Quote from: Tom 1960 on May 02, 2021, 04:46:44 PM
It will be Tuesday. Hopefully it's still there! Thanks for the input fellas.

Don't walk Tom, run! 🙂