Saul's Music Space

[(poco) Sforzando]

You got to be kidding, my music is from inside of me, from my soul, attacking it is personal by every standard. On the other hand, what did you or he composed that was so earth shuddering and great?

I think you mean "earth-shattering."

And I wouldn't even bother doing this with Luke...his music is just how should I say a waste of paper, ink and time.. yet he had the nerve to brutally attack my music in every way possible.

So you justify treating Luke's music in the same way you complain he has treated you?

[Franco]

This reminds me of a apocryphal story attributed to Andre Previn who was asked to listen to a young lady play the piano and then asked for his opinion.  As the story goes he replied, "you know, I really don't like music, but I loved this."

[Florestan]

The Bernstein video clip exploded in your face, there is no way you can run around it with 'excuses'. No way.

Ok, let's try a little sylogism:

1. Beethoven is composer who, according to Bernstein, is great but made mistakes in writing down his music.
2. Saul makes mistakes in writing down his music.
Therefore
3. Saul, according to Bernstein, is a great composer.

Satisfied now?

[Saul]

I think you mean "earth-shattering."

So you justify treating Luke's music in the same way you complain he has treated you?

The only difference is that I'm actually right, and I'm not saying this to help, or to insult or to do anything else, I'm stating a fact.
Go to his page and try to listen to one composition from beginning to end, its an agonizing ordeal.

[Saul]

Ok, let's try a little sylogism:

1. Beethoven is composer who, according to Bernstein, is great but made mistakes in writing down his music.
2. Saul makes mistakes in writing down his music.
Therefore
3. Saul, according to Bernstein, is a great composer.

Satisfied now?

I never said that I was a great composer. But I have no doubt that Beethoven would have received the same treatment by these know it all perfectos, had he lived today. He also had flaws and mistakes after all, but Luke doesn't get INSULTED from it... I wonder why?

The answer is obvious.

[karlhenning]

. . . his music is just how should I say a waste of paper, ink and time.. yet he had the nerve to brutally attack my music in every way possible.

Saul, you don't read any better than you write. Nothing, absolutely nothing, that Luke has said to you, here or anywhere, is anywhere near a "brutal attack."

And any intelligent person reading here knows it.

On the other hand, you are here opining that his work is "a waste of paper, ink and time."  An opinion which is not worth the paper it's printed on, but whose nasty hostility is naked on view.

What would G-d say?

I never said that I was a great composer.

More dishonesty, Saul. Who here told us that you are composer superior to Schoenberg?

[Luke]

Putting other composers down because you cant stand someone composing better music then yours, that's why you have to deface it, and attack it, looking for the 'weak points'... if this is how you want to treat fellow musicians, yes you and Luke, continue this way...

Just wanted to reassure Saul that any criticisms of his music have not come from some disgruntled sense that he is a better composer than me.

Karl - now, Karl, there is someone who is a better composer than me, by all the ways I figure you can measure these things. Karl has a way with structure, with line, with invention, that I can only dream of. I have no problem saying this - an, clearly, no wish to 'deface' it.

but what Karl can't do as well as me is compose 'as Luke' (and nor should he want to!). IMO a composer ought to find the way of writing that comes most naturally from them (that's a piece of advice I gave you, friendly in tone and intent, a day or two ago, I don't think you really noticed it). I feel like I've found that way, for me, and so I am satisfied. Karl's found his. My feeling was always that until you managed to get past all the frustrating blockages in your music, you wouldn't find that way that was the real Saul for you. But I am coming to realise that perhaps the stopped up incoherence I hear in your music (nothing to do with style, this, just a general mood) is not just technical in origin - perhaps it is the way you truly are and would compose even if you had as flawless a technique as Schoenberg. 

[karlhenning]

The only difference is that I'm actually right, and I'm not saying this to help, or to insult or to do anything else, I'm stating a fact.

Poor Saul, doesn't even know what a fact is.

[Florestan]

I never said that I was a great composer. But I have no doubt that Beethoven would have received the same treatment by these know it all perfectos, had he lived today. He also had flaws and mistakes after all, but Luje doesn't get INSULTED from it... I wonder why?

The answer is obvious.

Anyone has flaws and mistakes, but not anyone is willing to acknowledge and correct them.

About Beethoven having mistakes, there is a little story about Sibelius telling a student at an exam: "Hey, you're using parallel fifths, lad, be careful!" The student replies: "But you use them yourself, professor!". To which Sibelius replies: "Me and Mr. Beethoven use them willingly, you use them ignorantly!"

[Franco]

I never said that I was a great composer. But I have no doubt that Beethoven would have received the same treatment by these know it all perfectos, had he lived today. He also had flaws and mistakes after all, but Luje doesn't get INSULTED from it... I wonder why?

The answer is obvious.

Saul, I understand that you have the ability to write these works very quickly, but wouldn't it be a wiser use of your time to be commiting more of your musical works to paper than wasting your time here bantering with your envious ciritics?  I imagine you could have increased your Youtube clips from 74 to over 100 by now, had you not taken time out to answer these lesser lights.

I am somewhat surprised that aside from one clip which had over 4,000 views (with 3 comments), most of your works have been viewed less than 50 times, with no comments.

[karlhenning]

I am somewhat surprised that aside from one clip which had over 4,000 views (with 3 comments), most of your works have been viewed less than 50 times, with no comments.

Maybe 3,950 of them found that one clip enough ; )

[Saul]

Poor Saul, doesn't even know what a fact is.

You see this is what I'm talking about...

How can I take anything you say seriously when you speak like that...

[Luke]

I never said that I was a great composer. But I have no doubt that Beethoven would have received the same treatment by these know it all perfectos, had he lived today. He also had flaws and mistakes after all, but Luke doesn't get INSULTED from it... I wonder why?

The answer is obvious.

That word insult seems to have really riled you, Saul. You ought to try to understand the context in which it was meant. I was talking about the disjunction between the claims you make and imply for your music and the feeling I get when I actually look at it. It feels insulting, not just to the performer, but also to Mendelssohn (or whichever model you are taking in the given piece). I have to ask myself, each time, how would Mendelssohn - a supremely technical composer, deeply imbued with all of that stuff, highly sensitive to musical incoherence - feel reading this piece and knowing that he had been the inspiration for it?

I know this sounds nasty, there is no other way to make it sound. But I genuinely don't mean it to, and I"m not only talking about your music here, Saul, either. It's just a feeling I get each time I look at music of this type - not just by you, by anyone working in hommage to older styles and missing them. How would the composer being paid hommage to feel.......?

[Scarpia]

More dishonesty, Saul. Who here told us that you are composer superior to Schoenberg?

Well, but he characterized Schoenberg as incompetent so he's only superior to an incompetent, and wait, that was the part when he was posting nonsense for the sake of "discussion."  Why am I still reading this wretched thread?  Maybe it is time to stop posting and let it sink into the earth where it belongs?

[Saul]

Saul, I understand that you have the ability to write these works very quickly, but wouldn't it be a wiser use of your time to be commiting more of your musical works to paper than wasting your time here bantering with your envious ciritics?  I imagine you could have increased your Youtube clips from 74 to over 100 by now, had you not taken time out to answer these lesser lights.

I am somewhat surprised that aside from one clip which had over 4,000 views (with 3 comments), most of your works have been viewed less than 50 times, with no comments.

Some of my vids had nearly 60.000 views with almost 200 favs and a rating that comes to 4.8 that's almost 5 stars.
Yes, according to the perfectos here, they are all dumb deaf and stupid for listening, enjoying my music.
Can't you see what their doing here?
Showing themselves as helpers, but creating trouble instead?

The Bernstein video exploded in their faces, you can't shrug this off with excuses.

[karlhenning]

Anyone has flaws and mistakes, but not anyone is willing to acknowledge and correct them.

Simple typo, but I feel sure you meant but not everyone is willing to acknowledge and correct them.

[Luke]

Can someone explain to me why the Bernstein video exploded in our faces? I seem to have missed a meeting)

[Florestan]

Some of my vids had nearly 60.000 views with almost 200 favs and a rating that comes to 4.8 that's almost 5 stars.

Since when is Youtube a standard of quality in classical music?

[Florestan]

Simple typo, but I feel sure you meant but not everyone is willing to acknowledge and correct them.

Well spotted. I should have used the spell-checker. 

[(poco) Sforzando]

I will post my music for those who want to enjoy and have fun with it.

I assure you, some of us are indeed having fun with it.