Saul's Music Space

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karlhenning

Quote from: Florestan on June 30, 2010, 06:18:32 AM
Well spotted. I should have used the spell-checker.  :)

Well, I knew you wouldn't be hugely insulted by my pointing it out, mon ami.

Scarpia

Quote from: Luke on June 30, 2010, 06:16:42 AM
Can someone explain to me why the Bernstein video exploded in our faces? I seem to have missed a meeting)

I think Saul, bless his heart, is using reasoning similar to Florestan's demented syllogism, post 424.

karlhenning

I think I understand the "double standard" now. There's youtube standard, and there's the professional musician standard ; )

Florestan

Quote from: Scarpia on June 30, 2010, 06:21:17 AM
I think Saul, bless his heart, is using reasoning similar to Florestan's demented syllogism, post 424.
I trust you got the whole post right.  :)
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

karlhenning

For the record, I find all of Luke's music which I have had opportunity to read in score full worthy. Ink, paper, pixels, time . . . worth it all.

Florestan

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 30, 2010, 06:21:09 AM
Well, I knew you wouldn't be hugely insulted by my pointing it out, mon ami.
Why would I? English is not my native language and I more than welcome any criticism and correction regarding my writing it.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

karlhenning

Quote from: Scarpia on June 30, 2010, 06:21:17 AM
I think Saul, bless his heart, is using reasoning . . . .

Oh, he must be insulted that you say so. Use reasoning, rather than his fee - eeling?

karlhenning

Quote from: Florestan on June 30, 2010, 06:24:15 AM
Why would I? English is not my native language and I more than welcome any criticism and correction regarding my writing it.

And one can always count on you for good sense, and taking things in good faith.

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Luke on June 30, 2010, 06:16:42 AM
Can someone explain to me why the Bernstein video exploded in our faces? I seem to have missed a meeting)

I had to be taken to the hospital to be treated for severe facial burns.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

karlhenning

Quote from: Scarpia on June 30, 2010, 06:11:51 AM
Well, but he characterized Schoenberg as incompetent so he's only superior to an incompetent, and wait, that was the part when he was posting nonsense for the sake of "discussion."  Why am I still reading this wretched thread?  Maybe it is time to stop posting and let it sink into the earth where it belongs?


Great chapter on Schoenberg in Glenn Watkins's The Gesualdo Hex.

Just saying . . . .

Franco

Quote from: Saul on June 30, 2010, 06:13:53 AM
Some of my vids had nearly 60.000 views with almost 200 favs and a rating that comes to 4.8 that's almost 5 stars.
Yes, according to the perfectos here, they are all dumb deaf and stupid for listening, enjoying my music.
Can't you see what their doing here?
Showing themselves as helpers, but creating trouble instead?

The Bernstein video exploded in their faces, you can't shrug this off with excuses.

I did not see any with more than 4,000 views. 

Re the Bernstein video, nothing exploded in my face other than the fact that you completely misunderstood what he was saying.

I feel bad for you because you have a blind spot that is prohibiting you from benefitting from the constructive criticism you have gotten from several folks here and will make slow progress, if any at all, since you are satisfied with your compostions as they are. 

You have talent, but what the comments are addressing is your lack of craft.  Craft can be learned, but in order to learn it one must first be convinced that there is a deficiency.  So far, it seems you do not think you have any problems with the craft of musical composition and find the criticism is just a difference of taste. 

Not so. 

Craft is a form of literacy: either someone speaks/writes well or they make repeated mistakes in grammar and spelling and these are not a matter of taste, but reflect a fundamental ignorance of the language.

I hope you take my previous suggestion seriously to go find a teacher, since I think you will benefit from the experience and serious instruction and study is really what you need and will prove much more valuable to you than 60,000 views from Youtube.

Florestan

Quote from: Franco on June 30, 2010, 06:48:58 AM
Craft is a form of literacy: either someone speaks/writes well or they make repeated mistakes in grammar and spelling and these are not a matter of taste, but reflect a fundamental ignorance of the language.
No problem with that. Spell-checkers and editors will make him an accomplished writer in no time. :D
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Franco

On another thread the poster rappy put up one of his piano compositions and it was nicely realized.  Along with this thread and Karl's and Luke's postings of their work, it has gotten me energized to prepare some pieces to post.

I've been in somewhat of a funk lately about all this since all of my scores were destroyed in the flood we had on May 2d.  I'm sure there were no masterpieces lost, but I had planned on taking a fresh look at them to see if there was anything worth editing and trying to get performed.

Well, the flood saved me from that tedium.   :)    But it also left me bereft of any tangible evidence that I am a composer.  Starting over from scratch will free me from the past, but there is still a strange feeling of loss shadowing me. 

I hope to have something to post soon, and would greatly appreciate some of those who have shared their opinions with Saul to do the same regarding my meager offerings.

:)

Luke

Quote from: Franco on June 30, 2010, 07:21:20 AM
On another thread the poster rappy put up one of his piano compositions and it was nicely realized.  Along with this thread and Karl's and Luke's postings of their work, it has gotten me energized to prepare some pieces to post.

I've been in somewhat of a funk lately about all this since all of my scores were destroyed in the flood we had on May 2d.  I'm sure there were no masterpieces lost, but I had planned on taking a fresh look at them to see if there was anything worth editing and trying to get performed.

Well, the flood saved me from that tedium.   :)    But it also left me bereft of any tangible evidence that I am a composer.  Starting over from scratch will free me from the past, but there is still a strange feeling of loss shadowing me. 

I hope to have something to post soon, and would greatly appreciate some of those who have shared their opinions with Saul to do the same regarding my meager offerings.

:)

I look forward to doing so. Will be nice to have another composer set up stall here! Generally - this thread of Saul's isn't typical - comments are made and taken in the best of spirits, and I've found having my own thread here to provide a wonderful place to talk about my composing, to provide scores and recordings, and just as importantly, just to be a place to hang out, have mock flame wars, discuss musical esoterica, unveil private obsessions....

But what an absolutely horrific thing to happen though, that flood. That must have been totally devastating. I hope you managed to save what was most important to you, nevertheless. I often wonder what I would save if such a thing were to happen in my house. My favourite CDs and scores, obviously - but it goes without saying that it depends on whether the children were in the house too.






Because if they were, that would be two more pairs of hands to help carry even more armfuls of scores and CDs into the dry....

Scarpia

Quote from: Franco on June 30, 2010, 07:21:20 AM
On another thread the poster rappy put up one of his piano compositions and it was nicely realized.  Along with this thread and Karl's and Luke's postings of their work, it has gotten me energized to prepare some pieces to post.

I've been in somewhat of a funk lately about all this since all of my scores were destroyed in the flood we had on May 2d.  I'm sure there were no masterpieces lost, but I had planned on taking a fresh look at them to see if there was anything worth editing and trying to get performed.

Well, the flood saved me from that tedium.   :)    But it also left me bereft of any tangible evidence that I am a composer.  Starting over from scratch will free me from the past, but there is still a strange feeling of loss shadowing me. 

I hope to have something to post soon, and would greatly appreciate some of those who have shared their opinions with Saul to do the same regarding my meager offerings.

:)

Terribly sorry to hear of that.  Where do you live?

Florestan

#455
I deeply sympathize with Franco. A few years ago my computer was stolen from my car --- it contained a lot of poetry I wrote; nothing "earth-shattering" of course, but they did have a sentimental value to me. I was able to reconstruct some of them by memory, but others were lost forever.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Scarpia

Quote from: Florestan on June 30, 2010, 07:42:28 AM
I deeply sympathize with Franco. A few years ago my computer was stolen from my car --- it contained a lot of poetry I wrote; nothing "earth-shuttering" of course, but they did have a sentimental value to me. I was able to reconstruct some of them by memory, but others were lost forever.

My laptop hard disk died suddenly and I lost a really good c-code.

Florestan

Quote from: Scarpia on June 30, 2010, 07:46:51 AM
My laptop hard disk died suddenly and I lost a really good c-code.
The joys of modern technology...  :)
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Franco

I live in Nashville, TN.

All in all, we were blessed that our damage was light compared to what some other suffered, e.g. totally losing their homes -

I've got a one thing in Finale for piano trio that I need to buff up, and something noodling around my head for flute and piano. 


karlhenning