Amazing shortcomings in your collection

[mc ukrneal]

For the Beethoven Missa Solemnis, Steinberg is outstanding. Blew me away...

[Jo498]

For the Beethoven Missa Solemnis, Steinberg is outstanding. Blew me away...

Is that the one from the West German Radio/Cologne?

[aligreto]

I can also readily endorse the Jochum version of the Missa Solemnis; it really does deserve to be better known.
Levine is another one that I would heartily recommend; a truly powerful performance.

[amw]

I've heard a few performances of the Missa Solemnis, notably Solti, but latched onto the live Gardiner as soon as it came out and haven't felt the need for a different one since. If that helps.

[mc ukrneal]

Is that the one from the West German Radio/Cologne?

Yes. Excellent soloists too, I might add. This one (in case there is any confusion):
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[North Star]

Yes, unfortunately.

Yeah Jochum isn't shy about giving the piece the "Berlioz" treatment.

But beyond that what works so well for Jochum is his ability to bring a sense of interconnectivity and fluidity to the work. Now that I think about it the structure and form of the work actually does resemble Berlioz in its sense of formlessness, keeping the music alive with a sense of forward motion and alternating side-ventures into the unexpected. The good stuff.

Not that Jochum is the only one to manage this. Solti in his Berlin Philharmonic recording is also quite accomplished this way, and he's less "Berliozian" in his size and grandeur. But the sense of ebb and flow is strong and very attractive.

As far as HIP, I do actually have Herreweghe I. I like it, without feeling it quite captures the necessary sense of "the whole", particularly in the slow reflective passages. It's in these passages where the work (to me) builds on its mysticism/spirituality. The singers and choir must meet the orchestra head-on and keep the mystery alive for these extended pensive passages. It's a relatively simple thing (to my ears) to keep the speedy passages sounding appropriately invigorating but once the pace sloooooows vigor must be met with reflection, and not just any reflection, but reflection that carries every bit of the house and farm and whatever acreage with it (plus all the barn animals, too). I miss that in Herreweghe. 

Anyway, I haven't heard any other HIP performances and wouldn't know if any of them manage all this but if you find one that does I'd be anxious to know about it!

Berliozian, you say? Hm, I don't know... I have Berlioz for that
Yes, I had read something about Herreweghe I lacking in the slower passages, but apparently he has improved on that in his second recording.

I've heard a few performances of the Missa Solemnis, notably Solti, but latched onto the live Gardiner as soon as it came out and haven't felt the need for a different one since. If that helps.

Ah yes, I forgot about Gardiner's newer recording. Yes, certainly another one I'm considering.

Thanks, all.

[NikF]

I don't have any Mozart.

[North Star]

I don't have any Mozart.

First-aid kit
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[NikF]

I'll take your word for it and add it to my list. Thanks.

[aligreto]

I don't have any Mozart.

Your life is incomplete   

[Dancing Divertimentian]

Yes, I had read something about Herreweghe I lacking in the slower passages, but apparently he has improved on that in his second recording.

Cool, thanks. I'll check him out.

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

The big Boulez Columbia box is unfortunately still missing from my Boulez shrine. Haven't been able to afford it, but it isn't really a thing that bothers me.

[André]

Practically nothing pre-1600, except some Monteverdi. No Schütz, only one Palestrina mass (used to have a few in lp times), no Machaut, no flemish polyphony, no spanish or catalan Renaissance music. No gregorian chant either.

No Schumann vocal cycle. No Bellini except half a dozen Normas. No Massenet except Werther.

Very, very little modern music except Carter, Krzysztof Meyer, Thierry Escaich and R. Murray Schaffer (I have quite a few of each). So, no Grisey, Stockhausen, half a disc of Rihm, one of Boulez.

[Mirror Image]

Very, very little modern music except Carter, Krzysztof Meyer, Thierry Escaich and R. Murray Schaffer (I have quite a few of each). So, no Grisey, Stockhausen, half a disc of Rihm, one of Boulez.

I'm actually surprised by how much post-WWII music I have in my collection: Lutoslawski, Schnittke, Grisey, Murail, Gubaidulina, Pettersson, Scelsi, Xenakis, Boulez, Nono, Feldman, Ligeti, Dutilleux, Cage, Kurtag, Sculthorpe, Silvestrov, Part, Vasks, Reich, Berio, Carter, Penderecki, Norgard, Rihm, and the list goes on.

[kishnevi]

Practically nothing pre-1600, except some Monteverdi. No Schütz, only one Palestrina mass (used to have a few in lp times), no Machaut, no flemish polyphony, no spanish or catalan Renaissance music. No gregorian chant either.

No Schumann vocal cycle. No Bellini except half a dozen Normas. No Massenet except Werther.

Very, very little modern music except Carter, Krzysztof Meyer, Thierry Escaich and R. Murray Schaffer (I have quite a few of each). So, no Grisey, Stockhausen, half a disc of Rihm, one of Boulez.

I love the Tallis Scholars, others don't. Check the Early Music thread for possibilities.
Bellini and Massenet: try Don Quichotte, but otherwise I am in sympathy with you.
I am not into lieder, especially Schumann's lieder, but I think this is a good one, and possibly the only one needed


And I heartily recommend the Boulez Complete Works box, with the observation that the later the work came in order of composition, the more I liked it.  Also the Ligeti DG set (Clouds and Cuckoos). But modern composers is a crowded field filled with many I know nothing of.

[André]

Thanks for the suggestion.

I only know Fraueliebe und Leben. It plays on the radio regularly and I heard it live (Jessye Norman, around 1977 IIRC).

Brahms lieder are a blind spot, too.

[kishnevi]

Thanks for the suggestion.

I only know Fraueliebe und Leben. It plays on the radio regularly and I heard it live (Jessye Norman, around 1977 IIRC).

Brahms lieder are a blind spot, too.

I only have this as part of a Richter set

There are other DFD recordings with or without Richter, and several alternates if you don't want DFD, but that seems to be the only Brahms lieder I myself have.

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

Practically nothing pre-1600, except some Monteverdi. No Schütz, only one Palestrina mass (used to have a few in lp times), no Machaut, no flemish polyphony, no spanish or catalan Renaissance music. No gregorian chant either.

No Schumann vocal cycle. No Bellini except half a dozen Normas. No Massenet except Werther.

Very, very little modern music except Carter, Krzysztof Meyer, Thierry Escaich and R. Murray Schaffer (I have quite a few of each). So, no Grisey, Stockhausen, half a disc of Rihm, one of Boulez.

Which Boulez disc?

[Jo498]

I don't have any Mozart.

[springrite]

I have no CD by the great violinist Accardo.