Started by Archaic Torso of Apollo, December 28, 2009, 02:10:31 AM
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Quote from: Dax on December 28, 2009, 06:04:12 AMMadame Dax maintains that in the world of television music, there are such things as medical rhythms, police melodies and communist chords.So here's the opening of Ervin Schulhoff's oratorio The Communist Manifesto.http://www.sendspace.com/file/b4dxxh
Quote from: Velimir on December 28, 2009, 02:10:31 AMIn short: there is no such thing as a musical genre or style that is inherently liberal, conservative, socialist, Catholic, traditionalist, or anything [...]
Quote from: Joe Barron on December 28, 2009, 10:37:36 AMStrange, though, how cultural conservatives seem to get wired about stuff that was radical two hundred years ago ...
Quote from: Joe Barron on December 28, 2009, 10:34:13 AMThe problem to me seems to be that the use of terms "conservative" and "progressive" to describe both political positions and styles of music. One feels that to be consistent, one must be progressive or conservative in all areas. Many composers who are liberal politically can be conservative musically. Bernstein comes to mind, though why his music should be called conservative when the music of someone like Babbitt is "progressive" is problematic to me, since Babbitt's aesthetic requires a strict adherence to as many rules as tonal composition. (For the record, I prefer Babbitt. And off the top of my head I can't name any politically conservative living composers.) Perhaps it is simply that one is thought of more as forward looking and the other as backward looking, though all music, to be original, must be to a certain extent forward looking, just as all music (at least art music) must take part in the tradition to be regarded as music at all.My favorite example of the paradox is the "conservative" Brahms, whose music was beloved of liberal German parliamentarians in the 19th century, vs. the "radical" Wagner, who was taken up by the most reactionary, antisemitic, and, let's face it, awful elements of the fin de siecle, both German and Austrian.
Quote from: ' on December 28, 2009, 04:14:57 AMAnd if some folks align their tastes according to their ideology, self-identity, politics, etc., you can find plenty of examples of music deliberately written to reflect an ideology, either in text, structure, or syntax -- Ives, Cardew, Rzewski, de Volharding. And there is music that followed rules that were strictly prescribed to reflect the will of say, the Council of Trent.
Quote from: Guido on December 29, 2009, 09:36:41 AMI guess you mean Ich grolle night?
Quote from: ' on December 29, 2009, 10:04:16 AMNicht nacht, nicht.Not characteristic Ives -- count it as a student work. '
Quote from: mikkeljs on December 29, 2009, 12:21:58 PMBut all his songs are quite different. I also remember there was a beautyful christmas carol! So isn´t it normal for Ives to write things that doesn´t even sound like himself? Fx compare his first and last symphonies. I thought Grolle Nicht or Nacht was a typical and wellwritten Ives piece.
Quote from: ' on December 29, 2009, 03:14:49 PM(Still holding out hope for Ha-Ho Chorales).'
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