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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #180 on: April 07, 2018, 09:00:02 AM »
I can't bear the harpsichord, I mean I can imagine it as continuo but either Kraus doesn't play it well or it's just not a very refined instrument.

But he uses the same harpsichord for both chaconne's.
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« Reply #181 on: May 17, 2018, 03:28:26 PM »
This is worth a listen. Takeshika gets the most out of his Silbermann fortepiano by way attentive rubato/articulation. Seems this chap never studied with anyone of note. He's kind of a mystery.
It’s my mission to get one more person to listen to this. I find the partitas, unlike other keyboard works of Bach, don’t translate as well to instruments other than the harpsichord. However, employing flexibility and imagination, Takehisu creates an enjoyable version on the fortepiano. I wouldn’t recommend it as one’s only recording, or even as a second or third one. But for lovers of the partitas I think it’s worth acquiring. 

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« Reply #182 on: May 07, 2020, 03:55:08 AM »
Here I post my preferences in Partitas. These preferences are rather old (~2012-14) but I think they are worth to publish here. From that time I've discovered many of new interpretations (some of them are new only for me and recorded before that noted timemark). But they are not so carefully and inspectfully listened as those in this good old list. Later I'll try to post some of new findings (of them are real beauties as I seen at first quick and partial listening).

Lists are ordered (top is more suitable for me).

Harpsichord

Masaaki Suzuki (2001)
Edward Parmentier (1991)
Nicholas Parle (2002)
Trevor Pinnock (1998-99)
Scott Ross (1988)
Christophe Rousset (1992)
Kenneth Gilbert (1984-85)
Pascal Dubreuil (2007)

Piano

Gianluca Luisi (2005-07)
Andras Schiff (1983)
Craig Sheppard (2005)
Sergey Schepkin (1995)
Angela Hewitt (1996-97)
Wolfgang Rubsam (1992)
Ramin Bahrami (2005)
Andras Schiff (2007)
Vladimir Ashkenazy (2009)
Irma Issakadze (2010)
Zhu Xiao-Mei (1999)

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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #183 on: May 07, 2020, 05:31:30 AM »
Here I post my preferences in Partitas. These preferences are rather old (~2012-14) but I think they are worth to publish here. From that time I've discovered many of new interpretations (some of them are new only for me and recorded before that noted timemark). But they are not so carefully and inspectfully listened as those in this good old list. Later I'll try to post some of new findings (of them are real beauties as I seen at first quick and partial listening).

Lists are ordered (top is more suitable for me).

Harpsichord

Masaaki Suzuki (2001)
Edward Parmentier (1991)
Nicholas Parle (2002)
Trevor Pinnock (1998-99)
Scott Ross (1988)
Christophe Rousset (1992)
Kenneth Gilbert (1984-85)
Pascal Dubreuil (2007)

Piano

Gianluca Luisi (2005-07)
Andras Schiff (1983)
Craig Sheppard (2005)
Sergey Schepkin (1995)
Angela Hewitt (1996-97)
Wolfgang Rubsam (1992)
Ramin Bahrami (2005)
Andras Schiff (2007)
Vladimir Ashkenazy (2009)
Irma Issakadze (2010)
Zhu Xiao-Mei (1999)

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I think Mortenson is great too, as is Leonhardt.

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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #184 on: May 07, 2020, 05:48:15 AM »
It’s true that Suzuki, when he’s on form, he’s very very good - and he was on form in that recording of partitas. Colourful and refined instrument too, polished studio sound.

I’ve just picked up a recording of Schiff playing this music in Berlin a couple of years ago, if anyone wants it they can PM me, I think the sound is good.
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« Reply #185 on: May 07, 2020, 06:38:28 AM »
I think Mortensen is great too, as is Leonhardt.
Leonhardt (1990) recording is too energetic for me. And I listened to it many times in ~2008 before knowing of other interpretations (Pinnock 1998-99 as I recall) and made my choice then. The same situation (as I can remember) with his English Suites, I really like his 1973 recording but his 1984 recoring is not suitable for me.

I not heard Partitas recording of Mortensen (absent on YouTube), but listened to his Goldberg Variations (1989). I not remember why but his GV are in my not suitable list. But I remember good words about Mortensen Partitas said in ~2007 on Russian Classical Forum (ForumKlassika). So, I twice interested now. Thank you! It is strange for me to remember such old mention but I immediately recalled it while reading your note.
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« Reply #186 on: May 08, 2020, 09:56:09 AM »
There's something about Mortensen's harpsichord playing which I'm not keen on and I find it quite hard to put into words, it's to do with the textures. I find that the textures he makes are somehow dense with notes, airless even, which I'm not so keen on myself. It may be the instrument (uniform colours?)  and the room (slightly resonant?) or the engineering (?) as much as anything else. I don't know.
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« Reply #187 on: May 08, 2020, 10:05:03 AM »
There's something about Mortensen's harpsichord playing which I'm not keen on and I find it quite hard to put into words, it's to do with the textures. I find that the textures he makes are somehow dense with notes, airless even, which I'm not so keen on myself. It may be the instrument (uniform colours?)  and the room (slightly resonant?) or the engineering (?) as much as anything else. I don't know.

I always thought the sound of Mortensen's partitas reminded of the sound of Walcha's - despite the two different instruments. I wonder whether too close miking might be the common denominator. The way the music comes "right up in your face" makes it sound denser than it probably was at the venue.
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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #188 on: May 08, 2020, 11:19:23 AM »
There's something about Mortensen's harpsichord playing which I'm not keen on and I find it quite hard to put into words, it's to do with the textures. I find that the textures he makes are somehow dense with notes...
It is possibly exactly the reason why Mortensen's recording of GV is in my not suitable list.

I also see quite frequently that performers (both harpsichordists and pianists) swap Aria with Sarabande in 4th Partita and Air with Sarabande in 6th Partita. Even Gianluca Luisi swaps! With Luisi recording there is even more strange situation — there was also movement names swapped (so they are were incorrectly marked then). I read in Schulenberg book (The Keyboard Music of J.S.Bach) about these short movements (Aria and Air) but don't remember any statement about swapping. For me ordering Aria and Air before Sarabande is preferable and I'm accustomed to it (and I do re-swap in my playlists).

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Several of my recent discoveries for harpsichord, they are quite good at first glance. Two completely new names (for me) and Lucy Carolan (I heard of her long ago and remembered). Allemande timings (of 4th Partita) are 11:32, 10:16 and 11:48.



Bach Partitas — Mireille Lagace (Harpsichord)




Bach Partitas — Lucy Carolan (Harpsichord)




Bach Partitas — Peter Sykes (Harpsichord)

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« Reply #189 on: May 08, 2020, 11:05:46 PM »
Here I post my preferences in Partitas.

Have you heard Menno Van Delft? Or Blandine Verlet (Philips)? Or Genzoh Takehisa? Or Rosalyn Tureck (the Great Pianists of the c20 performance.)

Not necessarily recommend, but I do think they’re all challenging in different and interesting ways.
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« Reply #190 on: May 09, 2020, 12:22:37 AM »
Have you heard Menno Van Delft? Or Blandine Verlet (Philips)? Or Genzoh Takehisa? Or Rosalyn Tureck...

Menno van Delft's recording of AOF (1999) is high in my preference list. Several weeks ago I've checked his YouTube channel and found Partitas on Clavichord. I tried (from ~2007) to listen to Clavichord but it is too hardly understandeable instrument (its sound) for me. I'd checked then this recording and switched off after minute or so. But recently I've encountered Wim Winters performance and liked it (but anyway cannot listen the whole set at once). I'm definitely not ready for Clavichord sound. Yet.

Blandine Verlet — yes, many times (and awaiting of Blandine Rannou Partitas, not know whether she recorded them). But now both Verlet's recordings (1977 and 2001) are in my not suitable list. Cannot remember the reason. But remember that listened to both of them many times (around ~2010s).

Genzoh Takehisa — no. I noted his name above but cannot find his Partitas set on YouTube. Will wait (hope eventually will be there). Thank you for pointing!

Rosalyn Tureck — yes, many times. But for now her recording (1956-58) is in my not suitable list. And this is not matter of tempos (I highly like Wolfgang Rubsam's slow recordings). Maybe it is matter of old sound quality.

Even Murray Perahia's recording of Partitas (2007-09) is in my not suitable list. Too soft as I remember; maybe there also another factors because soft Vladimir Ashkenazy's recording (2009) is in my preference list (though not high there).

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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #191 on: May 09, 2020, 01:01:46 AM »
Have you heard Menno Van Delft? Or Blandine Verlet (Philips)? Or Genzoh Takehisa? Or Rosalyn Tureck (the Great Pianists of the c20 performance.)

Not necessarily recommend, but I do think they’re all challenging in different and interesting ways.

I am tempted to add

Pieter-Jan Belder and
Martin Gester on harpsichord and

Virginia Black on piano.
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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #192 on: May 09, 2020, 02:17:46 AM »
Menno van Delft's recording of AOF (1999) is high in my preference list. Several weeks ago I've checked his YouTube channel and found Partitas on Clavichord. I tried (from ~2007) to listen to Clavichord but it is too hardly understandeable instrument (its sound) for me. I'd checked then this recording and switched off after minute or so. But recently I've encountered Wim Winters performance and liked it (but anyway cannot listen the whole set at once). I'm definitely not ready for Clavichord sound. Yet.

Blandine Verlet — yes, many times (and awaiting of Blandine Rannou Partitas, not know whether she recorded them). But now both Verlet's recordings (1977 and 2001) are in my not suitable list. Cannot remember the reason. But remember that listened to both of them many times (around ~2010s).

Genzoh Takehisa — no. I noted his name above but cannot find his Partitas set on YouTube. Will wait (hope eventually will be there). Thank you for pointing!

Rosalyn Tureck — yes, many times. But for now her recording (1956-58) is in my not suitable list. And this is not matter of tempos (I highly like Wolfgang Rubsam's slow recordings). Maybe it is matter of old sound quality.

Even Murray Perahia's recording of Partitas (2007-09) is in my not suitable list. Too soft as I remember; maybe there also another factors because soft Vladimir Ashkenazy's recording (2009) is in my preference list (though not high there).

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I think the only way to get Takehisa is Itunes, at least if you're not in Japan. The Tureck I have a great soft spot for, it was my introduction to this music I guess. The Verlet (both of them) seem to me interesting failures -- I mean, the high points are high, the low points are low. I don't like Van Delft either.
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« Reply #193 on: May 09, 2020, 02:19:46 AM »
I am tempted to add

Pieter-Jan Belder and
Martin Gester on harpsichord and

Virginia Black on piano.

And I will add Rampe and Egarr and . . . enough already.
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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #194 on: May 09, 2020, 03:56:19 AM »
Have you heard Menno Van Delft? Or Blandine Verlet (Philips)? Or Genzoh Takehisa? Or Rosalyn Tureck (the Great Pianists of the c20 performance.)

Not necessarily recommend, but I do think they’re all challenging in different and interesting ways.
I thought I had that Tureck but I don't. Hmm...It's not that easy to find.
I think Tureck is a unique performer. I can't say she's much like anyone else. I don't listen to her often but she always makes a strong impression.

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« Reply #195 on: May 09, 2020, 05:59:55 AM »
The Tureck I have a great soft spot for, it was my introduction to this music I guess.
And mine. Together with Gould. I listened to them both infinitely and cannot understand why the Partitas are work of genius. I suppose some switch in me not triggered. And it was earlier recording of Schiff that trigger switch inside me.
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« Reply #196 on: May 09, 2020, 12:56:48 PM »
And I will add Rampe and Egarr and . . . enough already.

Well I will add one on piano - Igor Levit
even-handed and steady (ie, a bit slower than average)

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« Reply #197 on: May 21, 2020, 04:56:19 AM »
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