Hans Rott (1858 - 1884)

[Cato]

I just came across this:

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It seems to be an orchestration of 5 Rott songs for piano and voice, plus some connecting pieces ("Commentaries") composed by the orchestrator Enjott Schneider "in a contemporary idiom."

And...

Soon we could have a "blind listening" game for the Rott Symphony! 

[xochitl]

just heard the string quartet in Cm

never came across Rott's music before and honestly, i can see why Brahms didnt like his stuff...a lot of it is just plain clunky. there are striking flashes of brilliance though.

now on to the symphony with Segerstam

[calyptorhynchus]

I am a great enthusiast for the Symphony, but I only have the Segerstam recording.

My admiration for it is strenghtened by the thought that if Rott had had a normal composing career this Symphony would have been his No.0, as it were.

However, listening to it today I suddenly realsied that Rott overuses the triangle more than a little; many of the louder passages of the Symphony have a constant tinkling in the background. Do any of the conducters of the available recordings intervene and cut back on this feature at all?

[Jo498]

Yes, I think the first ever recording on hyperion reduced the triangle's contributions. I now have the Weigle recording but do not remember how much triangle it has.
There are more by P. Järvi (RCA), Russel Davies (cpo), Layer/Montepellier (naive), Rückwardt/Mainz (Acousense). I have not heard them but with at least 7 recordings the piece can probably count as established. I've heard it live once with Järvi senior and the Berlin Philharmonic.

[Sergeant Rock]

However, listening to it today I suddenly realsied that Rott overuses the triangle more than a little; many of the louder passages of the Symphony have a constant tinkling in the background. Do any of the conducters of the available recordings intervene and cut back on this feature at all?

Rott and Segerstam turn the work into a Concerto for Triangle and Orchestra. Some here like the effect. Not me. Weigle is my favorite performance, not least of all because he and his recording team do a good job burying the annoying "tinkling."

Sarge

[Cato]

I am a great enthusiast for the Symphony, but I only have the Segerstam recording.

However, listening to it today I suddenly realsied that Rott overuses the triangle more than a little; many of the louder passages of the Symphony have a constant tinkling in the background.

Some day a musicologist will prove that Rott suffered from a high-pitched tinkling tinnitus.   

I am not bothered by the triangle, but yes, it is a curiosity in the orchestration. 

[jlaurson]

Some day a musicologist will prove that Rott suffered from a high-pitched tinkling tinnitus.   

I am not bothered by the triangle, but yes, it is a curiosity in the orchestration.

Are we talking about the Symphonic Concerto for Triangle by Hans Rott?

I've counted the bars in which the triangle makes an appearance!

[Symphonic Addict]

This recording is mercilessly breathtaking. I can't assimilate its powerful impact on me yet. Glorious beyond words!

[vandermolen]

This recording is mercilessly breathtaking. I can't assimilate its powerful impact on me yet. Glorious beyond words!

I'm also an admirer of the symphony.

[Cato]

This recording is mercilessly breathtaking. I can't assimilate its powerful impact on me yet. Glorious beyond words!

Yes, Segerstam brings out everything in a most excellent fashion!

[Cato]

I just discovered these via a Gustav Mahler FaceBook notification:






Intriguing artwork!   

[springrite]

I just came across this:

[asin]B00KHM4N2M[/asin]

It seems to be an orchestration of 5 Rott songs for piano and voice, plus some connecting pieces ("Commentaries") composed by the orchestrator Enjott Schneider "in a contemporary idiom."

And...

Soon we could have a "blind listening" game for the Rott Symphony! 

This is the recording that I have.

Am I the only person to have this recording???

[Sergeant Rock]

Am I the only person to have this recording???

I have it too. It's one of five Rott Symphony performances I own.

Sarge

[Daverz]

I just discovered these via a Gustav Mahler FaceBook notification:

I've read a couple reviews that trash the music.  I can easily stream it, I suppose, but don't usually intentionally seek out bad listening experiences.   I do like the Symphony in a different recording (Paavo Järvi, IIRC).

[vandermolen]

I have it too. It's one of five Rott Symphony performances I own.

Sarge

Which is your favourite Sarge?

I only have the Cincinnati and BIS recordings.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

I googled him on youtube and listened to his string symphony.  Enjoyable but, pardon in my humble opinion, not particularly memorable.  Which work do you think I should listen to next?  I'm willing to give him another shot.

PD

[Sergeant Rock]

Which is your favourite Sarge?

I only have the Cincinnati and BIS recordings.

I don't own the Cincinnati and actively dislike Segerstam because of the prominent triangle which grates on my nerves. I prefer Weigle but also like Albrecht, Davies and Järvi.

Sarge

[vandermolen]

I don't own the Cincinnati and actively dislike Segerstam because of the prominent triangle which grates on my nerves. I prefer Weigle but also like Albrecht, Davies and Järvi.

Sarge

Many thanks Sarge.

[Jo498]

I googled him on youtube and listened to his string symphony.  Enjoyable but, pardon in my humble opinion, not particularly memorable.  Which work do you think I should listen to next?  I'm willing to give him another shot.

The rediscovery of Rott about 30 years ago was mainly about his only complete orchestral symphony in E major. While it is a remarkable work, I think both its quality and the influence on Mahler have been a bit exaggerated by Rott aficionados. But people who like Mahler and/or Bruckner should give it a try. Especially the scherzo (by far the best movement, I think) is spookily "Mahlerian".

[Pohjolas Daughter]

The rediscovery of Rott about 30 years ago was mainly about his only complete orchestral symphony in E major. While it is a remarkable work, I think both its quality and the influence on Mahler have been a bit exaggerated by Rott aficionados. But people who like Mahler and/or Bruckner should give it a try. Especially the scherzo (by far the best movement, I think) is spookily "Mahlerian".

Thank you Jo!

PD