La Taberna Maderna

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lescamil

Quote from: snyprrr on August 17, 2012, 08:22:26 PM
Maderna integrated the aleatory elements the most seamlessly of his contemporaries, perhaps?

I'm no Maderna expert, but aren't you forgetting about Lutoslawski?
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Quote from: lescamil on August 17, 2012, 11:06:42 PM
I'm no Maderna expert, but aren't you forgetting about Lutoslawski?

I'm thinking Maderna's technique was more pervasive. Didn't WL just use this here and there? Most all of Maderna's orchestra in the oboe piece sounded slightly ad lib,... WL sounds nowhere near as pervasively dreamy as Maderna.

not edward

Quote from: snyprrr on August 18, 2012, 06:21:59 AM
I'm thinking Maderna's technique was more pervasive. Didn't WL just use this here and there? Most all of Maderna's orchestra in the oboe piece sounded slightly ad lib,... WL sounds nowhere near as pervasively dreamy as Maderna.
Nope, it's utterly critical in Lutoslawski; the interaction between a battuta and ad libitum in mature Lutoslawski can be regarded as a dialectical process somewhat akin to sonata form (particularly obviously in Webern's description of sonata form as a contrast between strict and free).
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snyprrr

Quote from: edward on August 18, 2012, 12:02:40 PM
Nope, it's utterly critical in Lutoslawski; the interaction between a battuta and ad libitum in mature Lutoslawski can be regarded as a dialectical process somewhat akin to sonata form (particularly obviously in Webern's description of sonata form as a contrast between strict and free).

I stand corrected. hmm...

petrarch

Been listening to this today. It's been years since I listened to Maderna so systematically. In short: Wow, just wow. These recordings are absolutely gorgeous.

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snyprrr

Quote from: petrarch on September 09, 2012, 12:38:45 PM
Been listening to this today. It's been years since I listened to Maderna so systematically. In short: Wow, just wow. These recordings are absolutely gorgeous.

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Ah, they're up to Vol.4!! You make them all look real tempting there all in a row. ;)

Hopefully the Violin Concerto will get the treatment.

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Pessoa

I like Maderna more and more everyday. The Oboe concerti, Sinopoli´s recordings, his chamber and electronic music... it surrounds me like fresh and scattered rain of musical notes.

Mirror Image

Quote from: Pessoa on November 10, 2013, 11:28:09 AM
I like Maderna more and more everyday. The Oboe concerti, Sinopoli´s recordings, his chamber and electronic music... it surrounds me like fresh and scattered rain of musical notes.

Maderna is definitely a composer 'under my radar.' I'm definitely going to be buying all of those Neos label recordings of his orchestral music.

Mirror Image

Quote from: snyprrr on September 10, 2012, 07:36:14 AM

Hopefully the Violin Concerto will get the treatment.

Speaking of the VC, Vol. 5 already available!

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not edward

Quote from: Mirror Image on November 10, 2013, 12:36:08 PM
Speaking of the VC, Vol. 5 already available!
And with no less a soloist than Thomas Zehetmair playing too. Which is good news: I've heard a radio aircheck of him playing the piece and he makes a great case for it.
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Quote from: edward on November 10, 2013, 12:45:08 PM
And with no less a soloist than Thomas Zehetmair playing too. Which is good news: I've heard a radio aircheck of him playing the piece and he makes a great case for it.

I'll definitely be digging into that concerto at some point along with a lot more of Maderna's music.

snyprrr

Quote from: Mirror Image on November 10, 2013, 12:36:08 PM
Speaking of the VC, Vol. 5 already available!

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I think I just came!! :P HOW LONG have we been waiting? tears of joy :'( :'(

Quote from: edward on November 10, 2013, 12:45:08 PM
And with no less a soloist than Thomas Zehetmair playing too. Which is good news: I've heard a radio aircheck of him playing the piece and he makes a great case for it.

yaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!

I haven't even gotten ONE CD is this Series, and now the $$$ output is pretty daunting. gaaaah >:D

Pessoa


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not edward

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-- Aaron Copland, The Pleasures of Music

Pessoa


Pessoa

I didn´t know his early works for orchestra until yesterday. I was very pleased with their fresh sounds and mysterious-like suggestions. They sound a recognisable Maderna alright. However, I could do without the Kafka recitative (I don´t like them).


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