Mahler 3rd by Bruno Walter and Otto Klemperer?

[MISHUGINA]

http://www.scena.org/lsm/sm8-1/mahler3-en.html


Is he talking in jest? Conductor Yannick Nezet-Seguin recommends Mahler 3rd by Walter and Klemp, which in my mind so far is non-existent.

[Daverz]

Nezet-Seguin was apparently unaware of the -- obviously definitive -- 1910 recording by Mahler himself, on 50 Edison cylinders.  These was thought lost in the firebombing of Dresden, but showed up in a storage locker in a decommissioned nuclear fuel dump in Kyrgyzstan in 1999.

[Josquin des Prez]

Can anybody give me a complete run down of Klemperer's recordings of Mahler? His second symphony was amazing, i'd like to hear more.

[MISHUGINA]

Can anybody give me a complete run down of Klemperer's recordings of Mahler? His second symphony was amazing, i'd like to hear more.

Klemperer only did the 2nd, 4th and 9th all with Philharmonia Orchestra on EMI.

[knight66]

I don't know if this link will provide all the Mahler that Klemperer recorded, but there was more than is listed above.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/mahler-klemperer-Classical-Music/s/qid=1270451503/ref=sr_pg_1?ie=UTF8&keywords=mahler%20klemperer&bbn=697386&rh=n%3A697386%2Ck%3Amahler%20klemperer&page=1

However, no Third Symphony. There are more versions of No Two and Four, plus the vocal music in various studio and live performances. The one disc that mentions the Third, refers to a Boult recording, paired with Klemperer conducting one of the song cycles.

There is a four disc set that does not specify the contents, but I have seen it, it does not have the Third on it.

Mike

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

Klemperer only did the 2nd, 4th and 9th all with Philharmonia Orchestra on EMI.

He also did Das Lied von der Erde and  the 7th with the Philharmonia: the first in a well-known classic performance, the second in one of the slowest, most perverse Mahler recordings ever made.

[Daverz]

And Walter recorded 1, 2, 4, 5, 9, and Das Lied.  The next question is whether either of them ever performed the 3rd.

[MISHUGINA]

He also did Das Lied von der Erde and  the 7th with the Philharmonia: the first in a well-known classic performance, the second in one of the slowest, most perverse Mahler recordings ever made.

I failed...as a Mahlerite...

[DavidW]

You have to hear his 7th to believe it, it's just so ridiculously slow!  Very un-Klemperer like, but for some reason Sarge loves it!   Well I'm glad that conductor didn't rec Horenstein, I'll take the non-existent Klemperer instead and maybe finally we don't have to hear anymore about how supposedly great his (Horenstein) lackluster performances are.

[Sergeant Rock]

Is he talking in jest? Conductor Yannick Nezet-Seguin recommends Mahler 3rd by Walter and Klemp, which in my mind so far is non-existent.

The website has let that misinformation stand for eight years? Shocking.

You have to hear his 7th to believe it, it's just so ridiculously slow!  Very un-Klemperer like, but for some reason Sarge loves it!   Well I'm glad that conductor didn't rec Horenstein, I'll take the non-existent Klemperer instead and maybe finally we don't have to hear anymore about how supposedly great his (Horenstein) lackluster performances are.

Wow...you managed to trash two of my favorite Mahler recordings in just three sentences! 

It's true, I am an unrepentent lover of Horenstein's M3 and Klemp's M7 (Nachtmusik I at his speed is like proto-Webern...amazing interpretation). In my defense, though, I've never recommended either to anyone. Just call them cool, quirky, personal choices not meant for anyone but me 

Sarge

[DavidW]

Oh Sarge, I didn't know that you were a Horenstein fan!  I forgot about that.   Actually now that I think of it, I think Mishugina is a Horenstein fan too... <runs away>

[MISHUGINA]

You have to hear his 7th to believe it, it's just so ridiculously slow!  Very un-Klemperer like, but for some reason Sarge loves it!   Well I'm glad that conductor didn't rec Horenstein, I'll take the non-existent Klemperer instead and maybe finally we don't have to hear anymore about how supposedly great his (Horenstein) lackluster performances are.

Are you David Hurwitz? 

I have no problems of anybody bashing Horenstein's M3rd or anything since tastes are subjective. However some of the moments, like the awesome tam-tam clash at coda of 1st mvt and the posthorn solo in 3rd mvt is unsurpasable by even the greats, Chailly, Bernstein etc. But I digress, lets get back to thread!

[val]

The best version of the 3rd I have heard is the one conducted by Charles Adler, with Rossl-Majdan. Everything sounds natural, the boy's choir is perfect. A very poetic version. I prefer it to Horenstein.

[MDL]

Nezet-Seguin was apparently unaware of the -- obviously definitive -- 1910 recording by Mahler himself, on 50 Edison cylinders.  These was thought lost in the firebombing of Dresden, but showed up in a storage locker in a decommissioned nuclear fuel dump in Kyrgyzstan in 1999.

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[Sergeant Rock]

?

Daverz was joking.

Sarge

[MDL]

Daverz was joking.

Sarge

Yeah, assumed as much. I was having a sneaky peep at GMG while at work and didn't have time to play the original clip in the first post on this thread, so I read Daverz's quote out of context. I have to admit that for a split second, I had a brain fart and wondered if I'd missed some really important Mahler news. Maybe I'm the sort of person who falls for the old joke about how they removed the word "gullible" from the dictionary. 

[Daverz]

Yeah, assumed as much. I was having a sneaky peep at GMG while at work and didn't have time to play the original clip in the first post on this thread, so I read Daverz's quote out of context. I have to admit that for a split second, I had a brain fart and wondered if I'd missed some really important Mahler news. Maybe I'm the sort of person who falls for the old joke about how they removed the word "gullible" from the dictionary. 

Sorry, it wasn't a very good joke.  But similar things have happened, like a complete print of The Passion of Joan of Arc showing up in a janitor's closet in an Oslo mental institution.

[MDL]

Sorry, it wasn't a very good joke.  But similar things have happened, like a complete print of The Passion of Joan of Arc showing up in a janitor's closet in an Oslo mental institution.

Hey, no probs! On a similar note, in 2004, I was lucky enough to attend the world premiere of the restored print of Ken Russell's The Devils, a film heavily influenced by The Passion of Joan of Arc. Three minutes of material had been removed and presumed destroyed by Warner Bros back in 1970/71. Critic Mark Kermode was about to give up his long search for the missing material when a technician stumbled across a film reel containing the holy grail of the long-lost footage in 2002.

[Sergeant Rock]

Sorry, it wasn't a very good joke. 

I don't agree. I thought it was hilarious. I should have replied with a     It had the ring of truth: fire did destroy important Mahler documents in Dresden; he could have recorded on cylinder.

Sarge

[mjwal]

The exciting news is that The Devils has been restored - I shall procure this toot sweet, thank you MDL!
Kl'empereur probably never performed (let alone recorded) Mahler #3, it was sooo not his bag. I agree that Horenstein is good, but the most mysteriously moving performances on record are for me those by Adler (two - one live) and Scherchen, all with the supreme Rössl_Majdan, who wipes the proverbial floor with all the other altos I have heard in "O Mensch, gib Acht!", one of the very greatest word-settings of all time.