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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15580 on: January 20, 2020, 08:04:08 PM »
What are some great recordings of Liszt's Années de pèlerinage?

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Two composers I'd like to get into more.

Two composers: Maurice Duruflé , start with Requiem, op. 9 and Leonard Bernstein, Mass.


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« Reply #15581 on: January 20, 2020, 08:16:39 PM »
That would be one of my top choices. It's well cast all the way through and in great sound. But there are several good versions. Of the rest, I might go for Maazel or Beecham.

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« Reply #15582 on: January 20, 2020, 08:16:49 PM »
There are a lot of great Liszt Annees cycles. If I can offer some notes to help you decide on what you want:

- Julian Gorus: Personally I love this. Gorus favors a soft touch, poetry, lyricism - can be slower at times. In the Italian set, there are piano versions of Petrarch sonnets, and Gorus' playing here is some of the most exquisitely controlled quiet playing I have ever heard. Ever. In any music.

- Bertrand Chamayou: totally the opposite. Direct, fast, energetic, powerful. No frills, but in a good way. This is probably how Liszt played it; not sentimental, but not vulgar either. Like an arrow zipping into the bulls eye.

- Muza Rubackyte: probably too rare and hard to find to be worth mentioning, but kind of mystical and monastic, similar to Gorus in some ways.

The Annees are a work where I can enjoy lots of different styles because the music itself has so much variety. There's so much mysticism but also raw virtuoso energy (Dante Sonata should be bangin') and cute dances and prettiness and pieces that at first leave you kind of confused. So...get hooked and buy a few!

Some notable performances of specific excerpts:
- Vallee d'Obermann: Arnaldo Cohen (BIS)
- Dante Sonata: Daniel Barenboim (DG) or anyone faster than 16 minutes

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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15583 on: January 20, 2020, 11:36:28 PM »
That would be one of my top choices. It's well cast all the way through and in great sound. But there are several good versions. Of the rest, I might go for Maazel or Beecham.

A big +1 for Maazel. Either as the film or the audio set.

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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15584 on: Today at 12:15:48 AM »
What are some great recordings of Bizet's Carmen?
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Carmen is not an opera I really care for that much, but Claudio Abbado’s classic performance makes a very strong point for it:

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« Reply #15585 on: Today at 02:52:08 AM »
Carmen, like Magic Flute and Fidelio, you're better off with a highlights recording, there's too much spoken dialogue and opera singers are not much good at speaking text.
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« Reply #15586 on: Today at 02:52:25 AM »
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Two composers: Maurice Duruflé , start with Requiem, op. 9 and Leonard Bernstein, Mass.



Duruflé is awesome, but I have not heard the Requiem. Do you think that is the one to get? I'm sure these English choral forces do not disappoint. As for Bernstein, I have been slowly exploring his music, but I haven't gotten around to Mass yet. I shall have to pick up that Alsop recording. Speaking of Alsop's Bernstein, I just got her CD with Bernstein's 1st and 2nd symphonies, for dirt cheap, and when I got it I noticed it was signed by the conductor.  :o


This may be a better choice since it has more



Whoa, that looks great. I've been meaning to get more into Ciccolini, anyway.

Damn, I didn't realize how many recordings of Carmen and les Années there were. I will need to sift through some of this before making any purchases.

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« Reply #15587 on: Today at 03:01:41 AM »
This approach to Liszt caught my imagination

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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15588 on: Today at 03:03:48 AM »
Great recommendations so far. I will add this



and this (although incomplete, only the 1st and 2nd years):



For Carmen, get this:



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« Reply #15589 on: Today at 03:06:33 AM »
Also, recently acquired these:



but haven't listened to them yet. Given Lewenthal's credentials, they must be at least very good.
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« Reply #15590 on: Today at 03:09:48 AM »


but haven't listened to them yet. Given Lewenthal's credentials, they must be at least very good.

If you haven't heard his Hexameron you really should.
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« Reply #15591 on: Today at 03:13:48 AM »
If you haven't heard his Hexameron you really should.

Thanks for the tip, listening right now.
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« Reply #15592 on: Today at 03:27:39 AM »
Duruflé is awesome, but I have not heard the Requiem. Do you think that is the one to get? I'm sure these English choral forces do not disappoint. As for Bernstein, I have been slowly exploring his music, but I haven't gotten around to Mass yet. I shall have to pick up that Alsop recording. Speaking of Alsop's Bernstein, I just got her CD with Bernstein's 1st and 2nd symphonies, for dirt cheap, and when I got it I noticed it was signed by the conductor.  :o

There are three versions of the Requiem, for choir, soloists and 1) organ (often with cello); 2) chamber orchestra and 3) full orchestra.  I like the organ version the btes, but many people prefer the chamber orchestra.  The original was scored for full orchestra and was Durufle's preferred version.  The Phillip Ledger is for organ, Matthew Best has a very good recording with chamber orchestra and Robert Shaw's full orchestra recording is highly thought of, but there are many others.



Often you can find the Faure coupled with the Durufle, but I prefer the ones that add either the motets and/or the Messe "cum jubilo".

This is a very good recording with all three:

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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15593 on: Today at 06:31:32 AM »
Also, recently acquired these:



but haven't listened to them yet. Given Lewenthal's credentials, they must be at least very good.


It is a great performance but may not meet Vers la Flamme's needs. Lewenthal did not record the Third Year, and it's available only as part of the Lewenthal set. The whole set is good, but has stuff he may not be interested in.

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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15594 on: Today at 06:47:15 AM »
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Damn, I didn't realize how many recordings of Carmen and les Années there were. I will need to sift through some of this before making any purchases.
To the bolded text: do take into account that Carmen was composed as an opéra comique with (sometimes long) stretches of spoken dialogue. This may be unpalatable to those who do not speak French--or even to those who do  ;D--, but it is the way the work was conceived. Later on, other composers (Ernest Giroud, and other names after him) published versions that added sung recitatives to replace the dialogues. It's a matter of taste, of course, but IMHO this disfigures the work, which from being a fresh opéra comique (despite its subject matter), turns into some sort of grand tragedy (not in tune with its, let's admit it, rather pedestrian subject matter  ::)). The Callas recording is of this revised, one could even say spurious version, and is only saved--if at all--by her presence.
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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15595 on: Today at 10:28:32 AM »

It is a great performance but may not meet Vers la Flamme's needs. Lewenthal did not record the Third Year, and it's available only as part of the Lewenthal set.

Not necessarily, I got them separately.  ;)
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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15596 on: Today at 12:03:19 PM »
Carmen, like Magic Flute and Fidelio, you're better off with a highlights recording, there's too much spoken dialogue and opera singers are not much good at speaking text.

I suggest supplementing with an "authentic" French recording like Cluytens:





In good mono sound.
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