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Archaic Torso of Apollo

Quote from: Luke on March 30, 2024, 11:45:12 AMIt means sold (especially sold cheaply/casually) in Britain. If you're trying to flog something you're trying to sell it, which may incidentally involve marketing.

I once knew an Englishman who told me he was thinking of taking a certain job, but he had qualms about it. I asked what it involved, and he said: "flogging fags." I was briefly shocked, but then realized that they were selling cigarettes.
formerly VELIMIR (before that, Spitvalve)

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Luke

Well, he could have been applying for a job in one of our more medieval private educational establishments, in which case your first thought might have been correct.

Florestan

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Off-topic or maybe not: is there a more illogical and irrational language than English?  ;D
Si un hombre nunca se contradice será porque nunca dice nada. —Miguel de Unamuno

Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on March 30, 2024, 02:50:42 PMOff-topic or maybe not: is there a more illogical and irrational language than English?  ;D
If there were, English would twist some more to accommodate!
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Composer & Clarinetist
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Luke

Quote from: FlorestanOff-topic or maybe not: is there a more illogical and irrational language than English?  ;D

Well, I sought for another, but after a lot of thought, and after ploughing through many examples *cough cough* I said, 'enough!' Although, I might be wrong...

Archaic Torso of Apollo

Quote from: Florestan on March 30, 2024, 02:50:42 PMOff-topic or maybe not: is there a more illogical and irrational lamguage than English?  ;D

That's an impossible question to answer, since there are a couple of thousand languages out there, and they probably all have their own irrationalities. Also, how does one measure such a thing in a language? It's probably harder than measuring the popularity of Bruckner.

I do wonder though. Why does "a few" mean not many, but "quite a few" means many? Why does "for good" mean permanently? And so on and so forth.
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"Who knows not strict counterpoint, lives and dies an ignoramus" - CPE Bach

Luke

Let alone words like 'bound' and 'fast' which both have double and approximately opposite meanings.

He jumped free with a bound.
She was bound to the railings

She ran away fast.
He was stuck fast.

Archaic Torso of Apollo

Quote from: Luke on March 30, 2024, 02:56:02 PMWell, I sought for another, but after a lot of thought, and after ploughing through many examples *cough cough* I said, 'enough!' Although, I might be wrong...

George Bernard Shaw pointed out that you could spell "fish" as ghoti, using the gh from cough, the o from women, and the ti from motion.
formerly VELIMIR (before that, Spitvalve)

"Who knows not strict counterpoint, lives and dies an ignoramus" - CPE Bach

Karl Henning

Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 30, 2024, 02:56:21 PMThat's an impossible question to answer, since there are a couple of thousand languages out there, and they probably all have their own irrationalities. Also, how does one measure such a thing in a language? It's probably harder than measuring the popularity of Bruckner.

I do wonder though. Why does "a few" mean not many, but "quite a few" means many? Why does "for good" mean permanently? And so on and so forth.
And that line from "Stormy Weather"... " I wonder if she's gone to stay forever."
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

My point being that English orthography and pronunciation make it one of the least candidates for a lingua franca.

;D
Si un hombre nunca se contradice será porque nunca dice nada. —Miguel de Unamuno

Karl Henning

Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 30, 2024, 03:02:13 PMGeorge Bernard Shaw pointed out that you could spell "fish" as ghoti, using the gh from cough, the o from women, and the ti from motion.
I near fell out of my seat when I saw that as a gag on a warehouse sign in the old Batman series!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on March 30, 2024, 03:07:49 PMMy point being that English orthography and pronunciation make it one of the least candidates for a lingua franca.

;D
That's true, though what I see of Danish, the Danes could almost give us a run for our money.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: Luke on March 29, 2024, 06:58:59 AMThanks, it is indeed cover against all sins.  ;D

(* chortle *)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

aukhawk

Quote from: Florestan on March 30, 2024, 03:07:49 PMMy point being that English orthography and pronunciation make it one of the least candidates for a lingua franca.

Well, it's not plagued with having to assign a gender to every inanimate object out there.