Our British ---Allies??

Started by Iago, June 18, 2007, 05:06:56 PM

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Iago

 This week the UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it "offended" the Muslim population which claims it never occurred.

This is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.
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Mozart

Its obvious that Hitler was using those ovens because he promised the German people a 30 minute pizza delivery or its free.

Larry Rinkel

Quote from: Mozart on June 18, 2007, 05:10:19 PM
Its obvious that Hitler was using those ovens because he promised the German people a 30 minute pizza delivery or its free.

Not funny, Mozart. I have reason to believe some of my relatives died in those ovens.

head-case

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 18, 2007, 05:16:13 PM
Not funny, Mozart. I have reason to believe some of my relatives died in those ovens.
Unlikely, the ovens were used for cremation of corpses.  Death was caused by poison gas, shooting, or the result of starvation or other sadistic practices.

Mozart

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 18, 2007, 05:16:13 PM
Not funny, Mozart. I have reason to believe some of my relatives died in those ovens.

Besides trying to make a joke, I asked the question what else would they be used for?


Iago

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 18, 2007, 05:16:13 PM
Not funny, Mozart. I have reason to believe some of my relatives died in those ovens.
Larry,
  What do you expect from him?
He's got the brain of an infant, and the judgement of an imbecile.
Trouble is, he thinks he's one of the bedrocks of this forum.
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beclemund

You remember that game we used to play as kids where you would sit in a big circle and one kid would would whisper a sentence in the next kid's ear and so on down the line and by the time the sentence came back to the first kid it was completely distorted from the original form?

These days, they skip the mix up, make up the news, and the stories are propogated as e-mail forwards.
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Iago

Quote from: beclemund on June 18, 2007, 05:31:27 PM

These days, they skip the mix up, make up the news, and the stories are propogated as e-mail forwards.


I don't believe that story was made up. Certainly not by me. Nevertheless, even it wasn't authentic, a comment such as the one made by "Mozart" is as idiotic, insensitive and moronic as they come.
"Good", is NOT good enough, when "better" is expected

Iago

Quote from: beclemund on June 18, 2007, 05:31:27 PM
You remember that game we used to play as kids where you would sit in a big circle and one kid would would whisper a sentence in the next kid's ear

You must have played very boring games as a kid.
When I sat in a big circle with my friends, we didn't waste our time whispering into the next kids ear. We had our attention on other matters at "hand"
"Good", is NOT good enough, when "better" is expected

beclemund

Quote from: Iago on June 18, 2007, 05:40:45 PMI don't believe that story was made up. Certainly not by me. Nevertheless, even it wasn't authentic, a comment such as the one made by "Mozart" is as idiotic, insensitive and moronic as they come.

I did not pay any attention to Mozart's post... only the initial post caught my attention. It is absolutely made up--couched in half-truths maybe, but far from true. The hoax was based off of this original article published in April (and has been circulating since then):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6517359.stm

The issue is more an indication of a need for more rigorous teachers' training and is certainly not the result of any policy by the UK education system.
"A guilty conscience needs to confess. A work of art is a confession." -- Albert Camus

not edward

Fortunately, the original story (in the Jewish Daily Forward) was bogus.

Check the replies from the UK consul general in NYC and the chief executive of the Holocaust Educational Trust here:

http://www.forward.com/articles/letters-april-27-2007/

QuoteTeaching the Holocaust is mandatory in all secondary schools in the United Kingdom. Education Secretary Alan Johnson has made it clear that certain subjects, including the Holocaust, will be protected in the British school curriculum. Holocaust education is something we take very seriously in the United Kingdom, and teachers will continue to teach the Holocaust to our schoolchildren in the future.
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beclemund

Quote from: Iago on June 18, 2007, 05:48:33 PMYou must have played very boring games as a kid. When I sat in a big circle with my friends, we didn't waste our time whispering into the next kids ear. We had our attention on other matters at "hand"

I am sure that has played a large part in your qualities as a human being since then. Congratulations on swapping spit with other children before the age of ten; you win at life.
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Josquin des Prez

Quote from: beclemund on June 18, 2007, 05:51:21 PM
The issue is more an indication of a need for more rigorous teachers' training

I think the issue is with the notion of multiculturalism in the first place. I can't believe they actually did this. Britain is doomed...

beclemund

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on June 18, 2007, 05:57:04 PMI think the issue is with the notion of multiculturalism in the first place. I can't believe they actually did this. Britain is doomed...

As has been pointed out following the initial inaccurate post, "they" did not do this.

There is nothing wrong with a multicultural education. There is a problem with ham-fisted implementation of a cirriculum that has not been fully considered and where training those that are to manage that cirriculum has not been sufficient.
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Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on June 18, 2007, 05:57:04 PM
I think the issue is with the notion of multiculturalism in the first place. I can't believe they actually did this. Britain is doomed...

Britain may well be doomed, who can say? However, the original story is not true. What IS true is that at one school a history department refused to teach about it because of fear of confrontation. Read this:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/holocaust.asp

And save the web page. Whenever you run across one of these stories, this is an invaluable resource for checking its veracity. They nearly always heard it first. :)

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beclemund

"A guilty conscience needs to confess. A work of art is a confession." -- Albert Camus

Iago

Gurn,
 Thank you for setting the record straight. I appreciate it.
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Josquin des Prez

Quote from: beclemund on June 18, 2007, 06:01:59 PM
As has been pointed out following the initial inaccurate post, "they" did not do this.

You mean the teacher's behavior is not symptomatic of current UK policies and ideologies? That's a bit naive, don't you think?

Quote from: beclemund on June 18, 2007, 06:01:59 PM
There is nothing wrong with a multicultural education.

So, how is multiculturalism going to solve this 'holocaust' issue? Clearly the muslims aren't going to stop being offended by it, are they?

Gurn Blanston

My pleasure, more than you can imagine. The concept of Britain going down the tubes with much of the rest of Europe is not a pleasant one. :-\

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Iago

Quote from: beclemund on June 18, 2007, 05:55:00 PM
I am sure that has played a large part in your qualities as a human being since then. Congratulations on swapping spit with other children before the age of ten; you win at life.
Who said "it was before the age of ten"?  Not me. It WAS between the ages of 12-15, when such maneuvers could be "appreciated". If you've never participated in that activity, it is your loss. Part of "growing up".
And I know that your avatar is not a picture of you. But you probably are as BORING and UPTIGHT an individual as that picture indicates.
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