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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12600 on: January 26, 2022, 12:52:10 PM »
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The combined orchestras sound great (and are not a huge ensemble or even full-sized by modern standards). Very characterful HIP woodwind soloists. Valveless horns.
Antonini conducts without baton, with generally purposeful hands rather than demonstrative flailing or leaping, although plenty of silly faces. The violins stand up.

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The development and recap are repeated in full after the final coda of the first movement. (The latter after quite a long pause, to create a trick ending.) I know other conductors like Harnoncourt do this in certain symphonies, but I'm not familiar with the discussion around this particular practice and why people do it.

More peculiar is the finale. I must admit I was munching on lunch and not paying the closest possible attention. But the movement seemed to end, there was a long pause, and then the players plunged into what sounded like a "Haydn surprise" bonus coda and then the development and recap again, followed, of course, by another long pause and then another "Haydn surprise" bonus coda. This strikes me as foolishness - surely the joke is spoiled if you repeat it, and just becomes a prank? I notice the movement timing roughly doubles the time on Bruggen's recording.

In general, apart from the error in judgment in the finale, this struck me as an extremely good performance and some of the 2032 project's best work. Ensemble sound is wonderful. There was only a tiny bit of not-quite-unison playing at big climaxes. And, on the other hand, good pacing throughout, expressive phrasing, forward winds (even before you consider the excellent flute and oboe solos throughout), and a passionate minuet full of contrasts which was the absolute highlight of the performance.

Full symphony 31 minutes 

Thanks for this review, Brian, looking forward to getting this in my hands. Here is my look at Hob. 90, a very nice work indeed.

Hoboken 90

I agree with you on repeating the surprise ending in this one. I'm not sure why they did it, they must have felt it was appropriate, but I am fairly confident that Haydn would have not agreed, feeling your same sense of imbalance and illogic. And if there is anything Haydn was in his work, it was logical.

To be released when?

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12601 on: January 26, 2022, 04:43:40 PM »
I’ve heard that finale played both ways a couple of weeks ago. Repeating the ‘faux’ ending completely spoils Haydn’s clever jeu d’esprit.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12602 on: January 26, 2022, 05:32:55 PM »
I’ve heard that finale played both ways a couple of weeks ago. Repeating the ‘faux’ ending completely spoils Haydn’s clever jeu d’esprit.

Not merely a bad choice, but complete failure to read the composer!  >:(
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12603 on: January 26, 2022, 05:38:03 PM »
Not merely a bad choice, but complete failure to read the composer!  >:(

Which is quite out of character for Antonini, who is really quite brilliant. :-\

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12604 on: January 26, 2022, 05:51:21 PM »
Which is quite out of character for Antonini, who is really quite brilliant. :-\

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12605 on: January 27, 2022, 07:13:34 AM »
Thanks for this review, Brian, looking forward to getting this in my hands. Here is my look at Hob. 90, a very nice work indeed.

Hoboken 90

I agree with you on repeating the surprise ending in this one. I'm not sure why they did it, they must have felt it was appropriate, but I am fairly confident that Haydn would have not agreed, feeling your same sense of imbalance and illogic. And if there is anything Haydn was in his work, it was logical.

To be released when?

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Thanks for the link! I love the comment that it should be rehearsed at least once. It certainly is an interesting symphony with lots of effects, as he says. I will say Antonini keeps the metronomic regularity of the slow movement's variations intact, but his vision of the scherzo's trio is quite different - the lower string interjections at the end of each oboe solo line are very gruff, martial, and pointed, which only adds to the humor of the contrasts. Even the minuet was not so stately, as he allowed the tempo to relax in calmer moments and surge ahead in the more commanding ones.

I absolutely fell for the joke ending  ;D just ... not the second time  :(

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Oh, forgot to answer the "when." Unfortunately, this was concert #16, we're on CD #11 now, and given their two-per-year schedule, that means we have quite a wait. Here's the current schedule:

Q1 2022: Vol. 11, "Au goût parisien," 24, 87, 2, 82
Q3 2022: Vol. 12, "Les jeux et les plaisirs," 69, 61, 66, Sinfonia in C "Berchtoldsgadener"
Q1 2023: Vol. 13, "Hornsignal," 48, 59, 31
Q3 2023: Vol. 14, "L'imperiale," 33, 54, 53
Q1 2024: Vol. 15, "Majestäten," 62, 50, 85 + violin concerto in A with Christian Tetzlaff
Q3 2024: Vol. 16, "The Surprise," 90, 98, 94 + Rossini
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12606 on: January 27, 2022, 07:53:06 AM »


EDIT:
Oh, forgot to answer the "when." Unfortunately, this was concert #16, we're on CD #11 now, and given their two-per-year schedule, that means we have quite a wait. Here's the current schedule:

Q1 2022: Vol. 11, "Au goût parisien," 24, 87, 2, 82
Q3 2022: Vol. 12, "Les jeux et les plaisirs," 69, 61, 66, Sinfonia in C "Berchtoldsgadener"
Q1 2023: Vol. 13, "Hornsignal," 48, 59, 31
Q3 2023: Vol. 14, "L'imperiale," 33, 54, 53
Q1 2024: Vol. 15, "Majestäten," 62, 50, 85 + violin concerto in A with Christian Tetzlaff
Q3 2024: Vol. 16, "The Surprise," 90, 98, 94 + Rossini 

Thanks for looking up the schedule. I stopped doing that a while ago when they got so far behind in the releases, it just made me feel bad. :)

It would certainly be nice to see Vol 11 finally, Vol. 10 was so long ago I've nearly forgotten it already. Guess I'll have to sit and listen to it again, darn the luck!   :D

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12607 on: January 27, 2022, 10:55:05 AM »
Which is quite out of character for Antonini, who is really quite brilliant. :-\

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The other version I heard is by Bruno Weil, also HIP and perfectly in tune with the work’s spirit.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12608 on: January 27, 2022, 11:48:21 AM »
The other version I heard is by Bruno Weil, also HIP and perfectly in tune with the work’s spirit.

Yes, I favor that version for sure, as well as Kuijken / LPB who do a really nice job with the whole set (88-92). :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12609 on: January 27, 2022, 03:47:39 PM »
Kuijken is the set I have.

The fake ending gets me pretty much every time. I can't imagine sitting through a repeat of it though.
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