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Re: Dmitri's Dacha
« Reply #2680 on: September 25, 2021, 09:41:27 PM »
I've listened to a lot of Shostakovich in the last week or so. I'm currently listening to the 10th Symphony, and when I finish I'll have just No. 7 left to complete the cycle.

I noticed there isn't really a slow movement in No. 10. The first movement probably comes closest in mood but even then it's marked Moderato. There is also the lengthy slow introduction to the finale but that's not a full movement in its own right.

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« Reply #2681 on: September 26, 2021, 02:29:45 AM »
Once again the Violin Concerto No. 1 manages to astound me. It strikes me like a genuine masterpiece in any standard. Wow, all the movements are eloquently and uniformly brilliant in conception and technique, mastery. Mordkovitch is on fire along with Järvi and the Scottish N. O.

What are your other favorite recordings on this unique creation?

My favourite violin concerto of any composer.

That is indeed a great recording, along with Mullova/Previn.

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« Reply #2682 on: September 26, 2021, 05:44:28 AM »
I've listened to a lot of Shostakovich in the last week or so. I'm currently listening to the 10th Symphony, and when I finish I'll have just No. 7 left to complete the cycle.

I noticed there isn't really a slow movement in No. 10. The first movement probably comes closest in mood but even then it's marked Moderato. There is also the lengthy slow introduction to the finale but that's not a full movement in its own right.

Saved the best for last, eh? ;) But seriously, the 7th is dozy of a symphony, but under the right baton, it is an extraordinary work. As for the 10th lacking a slow movement, as you pointed out, there are plenty of sections throughout the symphony that could be slow movements.
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« Reply #2683 on: September 26, 2021, 06:44:32 PM »
My favourite violin concerto of any composer.

That is indeed a great recording, along with Mullova/Previn.

I never could get into the Mullova/Previn performance of this concerto. Their performance of the Passacaglia is played at such a fast clip that it loses it's emotional pull, IMHO. Mullova is no doubt an amazing violinist and Previn knows his Shostakovich, but I found a disconnect between the two. Anyway, just my two measly cents.
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« Reply #2684 on: September 27, 2021, 08:18:16 AM »
I'm sure I've posted these videos before, but I'll post them again:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/K7MPc9M5Jo0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/K7MPc9M5Jo0</a>

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« Reply #2685 on: September 27, 2021, 01:37:34 PM »
It is an incredible concerto without question, Cesar. I love it dearly. It is one of the only works that I've listened to that actually had me in tears. Favorite performances? Certainly that Mordkovitch/Järvi recording you were listening to, but also Batiashvili/Salonen, Vengerov/Rostropovich and, more recently, Ibragimova/Jurowski, which, interestingly enough, wasn't a performance that won me over when I first heard it. I've heard many other performances, but none of them quite hit the mark like the afore mentioned ones have for me.

Thanks for the reply, John. I also have Vengerov/Rostropovich in high esteem. The other recordings are still unknown to me, but I don't doubt they're splendid in their own ways.
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« Reply #2686 on: September 27, 2021, 02:13:22 PM »
Thanks for the reply, John. I also have Vengerov/Rostropovich in high esteem. The other recordings are still unknown to me, but I don't doubt they're splendid in their own ways.

What do you think of his 2nd VC? This was a tougher nut to crack, but I find it rather rewarding now.
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« Reply #2687 on: September 27, 2021, 02:45:28 PM »
My favourite violin concerto of any composer.

That is indeed a great recording, along with Mullova/Previn.

Certainly mine too! It's astounding in every way!
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« Reply #2688 on: September 27, 2021, 02:46:29 PM »
What do you think of his 2nd VC? This was a tougher nut to crack, but I find it rather rewarding now.

It hasn't clicked on me yet, John. It left me somewhat cold the last time I heard it.
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« Reply #2689 on: September 27, 2021, 03:39:06 PM »
It hasn't clicked on me yet, John. It left me somewhat cold the last time I heard it.

I find it spooky and rather creepy, which is typical wonderful late period Shostakovich. :) Maybe one day you'll come around to it.
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« Reply #2690 on: September 27, 2021, 05:11:44 PM »
I find it spooky and rather creepy, which is typical wonderful late period Shostakovich. :) Maybe one day you'll come around to it.

I hope so!
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« Reply #2691 on: September 27, 2021, 10:54:10 PM »
A legendary premiere recording of the first concerto. Much later in life Oistrakh recorded the 2nd which is surprisingly a lacklustre performance.



Odd that the two great Shostakovich string concerto premiere recordings by legendary Russian performers, Oistrakh and Rostropovich, were both with American orchestras.
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« Reply #2692 on: September 29, 2021, 04:40:39 AM »
What do you think of his 2nd VC? This was a tougher nut to crack, but I find it rather rewarding now.
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« Reply #2693 on: September 29, 2021, 08:48:27 AM »
I'm sure I've posted these videos before, but I'll post them again:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/K7MPc9M5Jo0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/K7MPc9M5Jo0</a>

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Thank you for posting those John.  I just watched the one on Symphony No. 6...very interesting and informative!

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« Reply #2694 on: September 29, 2021, 10:21:48 AM »
Thank you for posting those John.  I just watched the one on Symphony No. 6...very interesting and informative!

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Glad you enjoyed it, PD. 8) Besides being an outstanding conductor and superb composer, Lenny was such an eloquent speaker. He was able to articulate his thoughts incredibly well and get them across is such an accessible way. There will never be another like him.
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« Reply #2695 on: September 29, 2021, 11:53:19 AM »
Glad you enjoyed it, PD. 8) Besides being an outstanding conductor and superb composer, Lenny was such an eloquent speaker. He was able to articulate his thoughts incredibly well and get them across is such an accessible way. There will never be another like him.
I knew that he had been involved in terms of areas like trying to introduce and explain music to young people, but it was also neat to see that he tried to help adults learn about and appreciate music to such a degree.  :)

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« Reply #2696 on: September 29, 2021, 12:01:16 PM »
I knew that he had been involved in terms of areas like trying to introduce and explain music to young people, but it was also neat to see that he tried to help adults learn about and appreciate music to such a degree.  :)

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Indeed. I can heartily recommend his Harvard lectures. Do check these out if you haven't already.
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« Reply #2697 on: September 29, 2021, 01:40:19 PM »
Thanks for the reply, John. I also have Vengerov/Rostropovich in high esteem. The other recordings are still unknown to me, but I don't doubt they're splendid in their own ways.

The best performance I've heard of it was Vengerov live with the New York Philharmonic. Strangely, I don't remember who conducted.

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« Reply #2698 on: September 29, 2021, 03:58:32 PM »
The best performance I've heard of it was Vengerov live with the New York Philharmonic. Strangely, I don't remember who conducted.

What year was the performance?
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« Reply #2699 on: September 29, 2021, 04:51:53 PM »
I'm sure I've posted these videos before, but I'll post them again:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/K7MPc9M5Jo0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/K7MPc9M5Jo0</a>

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Man, I miss Lenny. Such an articulate and passionate speaker he was and there's little doubt in my mind how much he loved this music.

Thanks for the refresh, John. very much enjoyed them, as I knew I should.
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