Dmitri's Dacha

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Quote from: foxandpeng on December 06, 2021, 03:47:25 PM
My journey this year into the Shostakovich SQs has centred on the Borodin and Mandelring Quartett, but for me, I don't think there is much to choose between them.

Which Borodin set, fox?

foxandpeng

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Quote from: Mirror Image on December 06, 2021, 06:33:58 PM
Which Borodin set, fox?

The Decca version, with DSCH looking characteristically good humoured on the cover, MI. I did own hard copies of the original, incomplete set, but I rarely listen to the rips from those. Spotify is too easy.
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Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: foxandpeng on December 07, 2021, 07:33:55 AM
The Decca version, with DSCH looking characteristically good humoured on the cover, MI. I did own hard copies of the original, incomplete set, but I rarely listen to the rips from those. Spotify is too easy.
What do you notice difference-wise between the original (incomplete) recordings and this set Fox?

PD
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foxandpeng

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on December 07, 2021, 07:59:05 AM
What do you notice difference-wise between the original (incomplete) recordings and this set Fox?

PD

It's been so long since I last heard them, and I was so nervous of not understanding the works properly, that I shamefully don't know!

Helpful, huh? 😁
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Quote from: foxandpeng on December 07, 2021, 07:33:55 AM
The Decca version, with DSCH looking characteristically good humoured on the cover, MI. I did own hard copies of the original, incomplete set, but I rarely listen to the rips from those. Spotify is too easy.

My problem is I just can't force myself to do the streaming thing unless there's some kind of incentive. As I mentioned in another thread, Apple bought Primephonic this year and will release a classical app next year and they said they will be offering high-res streaming options. Something to think about for those who do streaming. They're database should be vast, especially compared to Spotify.

foxandpeng

Quote from: Mirror Image on December 07, 2021, 12:57:55 PM
My problem is I just can't force myself to do the streaming thing unless there's some kind of incentive. As I mentioned in another thread, Apple bought Primephonic this year and will release a classical app next year and they said they will be offering high-res streaming options. Something to think about for those who do streaming. They're database should be vast, especially compared to Spotify.

Certainly worth considering, MI. The upside of Spotify is the lack of specialism, oddly, as it carries so many obscure non-classical artists. Being something of a metalhead, I get it all under one roof.

First World problems!
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Quote from: foxandpeng on December 07, 2021, 04:09:53 PM
Certainly worth considering, MI. The upside of Spotify is the lack of specialism, oddly, as it carries so many obscure non-classical artists. Being something of a metalhead, I get it all under one roof.

First World problems!

Yes, I can certainly see that in being beneficial.

Madiel

Quote from: Mirror Image on December 07, 2021, 12:57:55 PM
My problem is I just can't force myself to do the streaming thing unless there's some kind of incentive. As I mentioned in another thread, Apple bought Primephonic this year and will release a classical app next year and they said they will be offering high-res streaming options. Something to think about for those who do streaming. They're database should be vast, especially compared to Spotify.

Databases are not the issue. Ability to meaningfully search the database is the issue. Apple Music is currently awful in that regard. Really, really awful. Primephonic was fairly good, but I'm actually finding that Idagio is possibly better than Primephonic.

I am making no use whatsoever of the free Apple Music subscription that I received as compensation for Primephonic's demise.
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Quote from: Madiel on December 08, 2021, 03:21:25 AM
Databases are not the issue. Ability to meaningfully search the database is the issue. Apple Music is currently awful in that regard. Really, really awful. Primephonic was fairly good, but I'm actually finding that Idagio is possibly better than Primephonic.

I am making no use whatsoever of the free Apple Music subscription that I received as compensation for Primephonic's demise.

Maybe they'll improve the search function? If not, who cares. I've got enough music to last me 20 lifetimes.

Madiel

Which hasn't really lessened your desire to keep adding, though. This is not a criticism. The measure of what you have is not so relevant to the measure of how much you still want to explore.
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Quote from: Madiel on December 09, 2021, 02:38:51 AM
Which hasn't really lessened your desire to keep adding, though. This is not a criticism. The measure of what you have is not so relevant to the measure of how much you still want to explore.

That's a good point. There's just so much out there.

Karl Henning

I had forgotten just how well the Tsvetayeva Poems and the Fourteenth Symphony pair up.
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 09, 2021, 05:41:16 AM
I had forgotten just how well the Tsvetayeva Poems and the Fourteenth Symphony pair up.

They do, don't they? Remarkable works.

Pohjolas Daughter

Have a question for y'all:

I noticed in the liner notes for the Borodin set (with the original members) that they wrote "Despite our best endeavors, we have not succeeded in discovering the precise dates and locations of these recordings.  We would welcome any information which the public may be able to supply in this regard."

The copyright date there is 2003.

Anyone here know if this mystery has been solved?  If I'm recalling correctly (found elsewhere), they were recorded roughly from the late (?) 60's to the early 70's.

PD
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Irons

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Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on December 16, 2021, 10:03:54 AM
Have a question for y'all:

I noticed in the liner notes for the Borodin set (with the original members) that they wrote "Despite our best endeavors, we have not succeeded in discovering the precise dates and locations of these recordings.  We would welcome any information which the public may be able to supply in this regard."

The copyright date there is 2003.

Anyone here know if this mystery has been solved?  If I'm recalling correctly (found elsewhere), they were recorded roughly from the late (?) 60's to the early 70's.

PD

Checked individual Melodiya LPs which unfortunately are not dated. Melodiya LPs usually have at bottom edge R which I always assume is "recording" followed by a date. For some reason the Borodin cycle do not have this. Going on to a EMI box under the track listing the following information, P (ublished) Quartets 1-12 1967 Quartet No. 13 1972. 
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

Pohjolas Daughter

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Quote from: Irons on December 17, 2021, 12:26:04 AM
Checked individual Melodiya LPs which unfortunately are not dated. Melodiya LPs usually have at bottom edge R which I always assume is "recording" followed by a date. For some reason the Borodin cycle do not have this. Going on to a EMI box under the track listing the following information, P (ublished) Quartets 1-12 1967 Quartet No. 13 1972.
Interesting!  So, I'm guessing that the "bottom edge R" is on the back cover?

And thank you for your detective work Irons!  Wonder whether or not any of the original members ever wrote memoires?  Would be interesting to read for a number of reasons.

By the way, how do those Melodiya ones sound?

PD
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Karl Henning

Peculiarly neglectful of Melodiya.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 17, 2021, 05:44:12 AM
Peculiarly neglectful of Melodiya.
I was rather surprised too Karl.  I suspect that they didn't normally name the recording venue either.

PD
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Irons

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on December 17, 2021, 05:52:09 AM
I was rather surprised too Karl.  I suspect that they didn't normally name the recording venue either.

PD

No venue, PD. I notice most if not all are recorded by Yuri Kokzhayan, who?! I hear you ask.  ???

I have banged on about this before. The original Borodin, along with Dubinsky, also recorded the 8th SQ in Poland on the Muza Polskie Nagrania label, coupled with the Szymanowski 2nd. IMO this performance is superior to both the Melodiya and Decca 8th's.
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 06, 2021, 06:45:36 AM
The complete sets I have are the Emersons, the Pacifica, and the Mandelrings. I love 'em all. There, I said it!

I have those three plus Fitzwilliam, Rubio, Sorrel, Borodin I and Borodin II. I too love 'em all. Usually the one I'm currently listening to is my favorite. But if I had to choose, it would be Mandelring.

Sarge
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"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
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