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Karl Henning

Lenny's Wiener Philharmoniker recording of the Sixth & Ninth: CD or DVD?  What is the consensus?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

jlaurson

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Quote from: karlhenning on February 04, 2013, 10:15:28 AM
Lenny's Wiener Philharmoniker recording of the Sixth & Ninth: CD or DVD?  What is the consensus?

There's a short interview with him on the DVD... but other than that, those recordings aren't a pleasure (for me) to look at... with that seedy red of the Konzertverein and those bad 80s haircut and visibly self-important players...

Might as well grab the box with all the Lennie-DSCH... Stravinsky free!



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Karl Henning

Hm, very much of their time, are they? . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Brahmsian

I can now safely determine, that after Beethoven & Brahms, Shostakovich is my next favourite composer.

:)

Brian

Ray, John, etc.: The Royal Liverpool Philharmonic and Vasily Petrenko are rehearsing for a live performance of the Fourth Symphony, and will subsequently be recording it.

Karl Henning

You meant et al., and great news, Brian!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

I've lent my buddy Marc at the MFA shop the second volume of Olli Mustonen's mash-up of the Bach WTC Book I and the Opus 87 . . . and while he is enjoying the Bach, he reports that the Shostakovich is just blowin JSB out of the water.  Wonderful that the music can have that sort of impact on a fresh listener!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Fafner

Quote from: Brian on February 07, 2013, 04:19:13 AM
Ray, John, etc.: The Royal Liverpool Philharmonic and Vasily Petrenko are rehearsing for a live performance of the Fourth Symphony, and will subsequently be recording it.

That's great news indeed. I have been eagerly awaiting Petrenko's account of the Fourth.
"Remember Fafner? Remember he built Valhalla? A giant? Well, he's a dragon now. Don't ask me why. Anyway, he's dead."
   --- Anna Russell

Karl Henning

It's got to be better than Gergiev's!

(* ducks on hurried way out *)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Brahmsian

Quote from: Brian on February 07, 2013, 04:19:13 AM
Ray, John, etc.: The Royal Liverpool Philharmonic and Vasily Petrenko are rehearsing for a live performance of the Fourth Symphony, and will subsequently be recording it.

Wonderful news, Brian!  Really looking forward to it!!  :)  Thank you for the update.

Mirror Image

Quote from: Brian on February 07, 2013, 04:19:13 AM
Ray, John, etc.: The Royal Liverpool Philharmonic and Vasily Petrenko are rehearsing for a live performance of the Fourth Symphony, and will subsequently be recording it.

This is good news. He's up against some stiff competition: Previn, Kondrashin, Barshai, Salonen, and, my personal favorite, Rattle.

Karl Henning

It's not a competition. It is perfectly right that a piece be continually performed. We don't retire the jersey just because there's been a signally good recording. Music is a performing art, not a bloody museum piece!

Nobody says, Gosh, there's just no point in performing Beethoven, since von Karajan did it about as good as anyone could.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Mirror Image

Quote from: karlhenning on February 07, 2013, 06:47:36 AM
It's not a competition. It is perfectly right that a piece be continually performed. We don't retire the jersey just because there's been a signally good recording. Music is a performing art, not a bloody museum piece!

Nobody says, Gosh, there's just no point in performing Beethoven, since von Karajan did it about as good as anyone could.

Forgot your medication today, Karl? :-\ I'm all for new performances, but as a listener I can't help to compare them with past performances. Petrenko is good conductor, no doubt, but I've already got many favorites in the 4th. So with this in mind, we'll see how his performance goes. I hope it's not another dud like his 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 15th.

Brian

Quote from: Mirror Image on February 07, 2013, 07:03:15 AMbut as a listener I can't help to compare them with past performances.

That's your style as a listener. I write ~80 reviews for MusicWeb every year, but I'm perfectly able to turn off the compare switch. With an inferior recording it's easy to say "this is no Karajan/whomever," but all great recordings are great in their own way. That explains why for a lot of works I love, I have 3-4 favorites that are all opposites.

jlaurson

Quote from: Mirror Image on February 07, 2013, 07:03:15 AM
Forgot your medication today, Karl? :-\ I'm all for new performances, but as a listener I can't help to compare them with past performances. Petrenko is good conductor, no doubt, but I've already got many favorites in the 4th. So with this in mind, we'll see how his performance goes. I hope it's not another dud like his 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 15th.

it seems to me you are talking about the recording of the performance, while karl is talking about the performance itself. a performance isn't judged by recordings... it's judged by the moment (and judged in light of other performances... with, possibly, being further informed by recordings.

you infer, understandably, that this performance (or a studio run-through that is part of that particular run of performances) will be turned into a recording. then it will stand next to the aforementioned. and even then, each generation needs their DSCH, just as each generation needs their LvB.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Mirror Image on February 07, 2013, 07:03:15 AM
Forgot your medication today, Karl?

Between this and your Holmboe rant last night, you're really making an effort to be likeable, right?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Mirror Image

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Quote from: karlhenning on February 07, 2013, 07:22:41 AM

Between this and your Holmboe rant last night, you're really making an effort to be likeable, right?

I could ask you the same question, Karl. Was that outburst of yours above really necessary?

Karl Henning

Quote from: jlaurson on February 07, 2013, 07:22:00 AM
it seems to me you are talking about the recording of the performance, while karl is talking about the performance itself. a performance isn't judged by recordings... it's judged by the moment (and judged in light of other performances... with, possibly, being further informed by recordings.

you infer, understandably, that this performance (or a studio run-through that is part of that particular run of performances) will be turned into a recording. then it will stand next to the aforementioned. and even then, each generation needs their DSCH, just as each generation needs their LvB.

Aye.

And nowadays, it is almost the rule rather than the exception that there will be a document of the performance.

And as Brian points out, every recording of a very-good-to-excellent performance will have its own proper interest.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Brian

Quote from: jlaurson on February 07, 2013, 07:22:00 AM(or a studio run-through that is part of that particular run of performances)

It's my understanding that this will be the case. The RLPO only tweeted at me, nothing official, but they said that when the recording sessions take place it will appear separately on their website.

Karl Henning

Very excited that the Op.43 is in the pipeline! (Brian, do I recall aright that this is a symphony you've not yet heard?)

Brian & Jens, what opinions do you hold of the Petrenko account of the Op.103?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot