Mendelssohn vs. Schoenberg

Started by MN Dave, June 24, 2010, 05:21:02 AM

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Who was the "greatest"?

Mendelssohn
16 (32%)
Schoenberg
34 (68%)

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Dancing Divertimentian

#320
July 03, 2010, 10:43:29 PM
Quote from: James on July 03, 2010, 10:39:23 PM
You must be like, 13 ...

Sticks and stones...
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Scarpia

#321
July 03, 2010, 10:45:59 PM
Quote from: Teresa on July 03, 2010, 10:29:46 PM
Hitler was a monster but I do agree to some degree with his indictment of Entartete Kunst or Degenerate art of which Arnold Schoenberg was one of the prime targets of the Nazis because he was not only a Jew but his music was degenerate, ugly and atonal.  The Nazis targeted all Jews even if their music was tonal, thus Felix Mendelssohn and other tonal Jewish composers were also banded as Entartete Musik.

Degenerate Art

You agree with Hitler that Arnold Schoenberg should have been sent to a concentration camp, but because his music was ugly, not because he was a Jew?  To bad he got away, heh?

Dancing Divertimentian

#322
July 03, 2010, 10:50:52 PM
So I'm guessing the instant a moderator sets foot on this thread its lockage is set. ;D
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Dancing Divertimentian

#323
July 03, 2010, 10:53:49 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on July 03, 2010, 10:45:59 PM
You agree with Hitler that Arnold Schoenberg should have been sent to a concentration camp, but because his music was ugly, not because he was a Jew?  To bad he got away, heh?

Yes, and isn't it interesting how quiet Teresa (and Saul) have suddenly gotten?

But never fear, James is still around! ;D
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Scarpia

#324
July 03, 2010, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 03, 2010, 10:53:49 PM
Yes, and isn't it interesting how quiet Teresa (and Saul) have suddenly gotten?

But never fear, James is still around! ;D

Oh poor Saul, he has two allies on this thread, and one expressed admiration for Hitler.   :o 

The other admires Stockhausen, well that can be forgiven.   8)

Teresa

#325
July 03, 2010, 11:00:14 PM Last Edit: July 03, 2010, 11:22:39 PM by Teresa
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 03, 2010, 10:37:00 PM
WHAT??!!???

So here it is, folks. The real Teresa (and Saul, most likely) exposed. Zealots posing as the "defenders of all goodness". Out to save us from the evils of (pick your poison)...

Great Art



Degenerate Art



The same thing applies to music.  Flat out there is some music that is so degenerate that it should not exist.  Schoenberg's assault against the world of music should be banned, just the same is we ban child pornography, murder and other social ills.

IT IS ME WHO IS SHOCKED AT THOSE WHO PROP UP THE DEGENERATE SCHOENBERG.   :o You all should be very ashamed of yourselves.   I have tried to be nice and understanding but you intellectuals have taken this way too far. 
:o   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o

Dancing Divertimentian

#326
July 03, 2010, 11:06:16 PM
Quote from: Teresa on July 03, 2010, 11:00:14 PM
Great Art



Degenerate Art



The same thing applies to music.  Flat out there is some music that is so degenerate that it should not exist.  Schoenberg's assault against the world of music should be banned, just the same is we ban child pornography, murder and other social ills.

IT IS ME WHO IS SHOCKED AT THOSE WHO PROP UP THE DEGENRATE SCHOENBERG.   :o You all should be very ashamed of yourselves.   I have tried to be nice and understanding but you intellectuals have taken this way too far. 
:o   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o

This is truly the saddest thing I've ever been a part of....

And Saul, right about now would be a good time for you to put a zipper on the rest of your "opinions".

Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Teresa

#327
July 03, 2010, 11:08:56 PM
P.S.: Not just degenerate Classical Music but all degenerate music should be banned, including curse words, graphic descriptions of rape, murder and all forms of violence.  Why we tolerate this as a society I do not know!  ::)

Teresa

#328
July 03, 2010, 11:38:24 PM Last Edit: July 03, 2010, 11:39:58 PM by Teresa
Quote from: Scarpia on July 03, 2010, 10:45:59 PM
You agree with Hitler that Arnold Schoenberg should have been sent to a concentration camp, but because his music was ugly, not because he was a Jew?  To bad he got away, heh?
I do not believe anyone should be sent to a concentration camp.  ???

I just believe Schoenberg should have been discredited for the fraud he was and allowed to seek employment in another line of work, hopefully of a non-destructive nature.  He should never have been around music in any capacity.   >:(

Elgarian

#329
July 04, 2010, 12:39:59 AM
Jack: I just don't know how you can possibly defend your taste for oranges.
Jill: Well, you should talk! Don't you know the apple is the source of all the world's evil? Poor Eve! Don't you care about the devastating degeneration of the world that has been brought about by that one horrid fruit?
Jack: Look, that has nothing to do with me. I just like apples. And besides, I can't understand how anybody could possibly tolerate those wretched orange things for a moment. People who say they like oranges must be either deranged or just plain perverse. In fact I think you're defending oranges just to make me feel bad.
Jill: Jack, Jack - anyone can see that apples are evil and the source of all bad things. Leave them alone. Relinquish your wicked apple-loving ways, and enter into Orange Joy!
Jack: How dare you patronise me like that! I come here just to express a perfectly reasonable personal opinion about apples and oranges, and you try to rob me of my freedom of speech! It's you who is evil.

[Enter Joe]

Joe: Hey, they tell me that tomatoes aren't vegetables after all, but they're really a kind of fruit. What does everybody think about that?

[The Thermonuclear Fruit Wars begin.]

Que

#330
July 04, 2010, 01:37:50 AM
I cannot believe my eyes when reading some of the recent posts here.  ::)
But I'm not deleting them so everybody can take notice.

What I will do, of course, is lock this thread.

Q
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