Chez Stravinsky

Started by karlhenning, April 09, 2007, 08:24:18 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Linus

Quote from: Rons_talking on February 11, 2015, 03:55:03 AM
But Linus is operating on the premise that dissonance is unattractive music and consonance is beauty.

I don't think I do. In this case I'm just interested in consonance as a means for release of tension.

Actually, I find dissonance very attractive indeed; most of my favourite playlists would be unbearable to me otherwise. ;)

Rons_talking

Quote from: Linus on February 11, 2015, 04:20:27 AM
I don't think I do. In this case I'm just interested in consonance as a means for release of tension.

Actually, I find dissonance very attractive indeed; most of my favourite playlists would be unbearable to me otherwise. ;)

I stand corrected. Stravinsky lijkes to manipulate the rhythm to keep even the most simple materials unpredictable. So tension is hard to avoid  ::). But some of the works cited might be the solution to your query.

Karl Henning

Rhythmic genius.  'Tis true.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

not edward

To paraphrase Grisey: Stravinsky sets down a rhythm, and you think it'll change, but it doesn't. Then when you think it won't change, it does.

Personal experience: I used to not like Stravinsky, but when I went through a period of attempting to compose myself, suddenly the music clicked with me in a big way. And in almost everything I wrote, I unconsciously tried to copy that Stravinskian sense of keeping you off-base rhythmically (except when I wrote in triple time and sounded like bad Webern).
"I don't at all mind actively disliking a piece of contemporary music, but in order to feel happy about it I must consciously understand why I dislike it. Otherwise it remains in my mind as unfinished business."
-- Aaron Copland, The Pleasures of Music

Karl Henning

Most interesting, and thanks for sharing.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Sometimes, I feel that if he had written nothing more than the Symphonies d'instruments à vent, that work alone had made him immortal.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Mirror Image

Quote from: sanantonio on March 26, 2015, 10:09:43 AM
Have you seen the short film about the work? 

[asin]B000AMMSQ2[/asin]

Highly recommended.

Yeah, I like this documentary and the one on Schoenberg was quite good as well.

Rons_talking

Quote from: Mirror Image on March 27, 2015, 06:10:20 AM
Yeah, I like this documentary and the one on Schoenberg was quite good as well.

I just ordered the DVD. I might even be able to get my wife to watch!

ritter

I must check out that DVD of The Final Chorale. Othe productions in that same series have been very  interesting.

For those who admire the magnificenr Symphonies of wind instruments, the original, partial version for piano is well worth exploring as well. It can be heard on this CD, along with other great music by or in hommage to Debussy:

[asin]B0062QFYY8[/asin]

Mirror Image

Quote from: Rons_talking on March 29, 2015, 09:53:51 PM
I just ordered the DVD. I might even be able to get my wife to watch!

Very cool. 8) I remember buying this DVD super-cheap for $7.

Lisztianwagner

I was suggested to listen to this work:

https://www.youtube.com/v/4MIt-GrZ5F4

One of the first Stravinsky's compositions, much influenced by Impressionism, Debussy and Tchaikovsky, but still prefiguring some melodic softness  and sharp power of evocation of the Firebird. Such a very charming piece, I liked its fairy and persuasive harmonies, its colour, timbric elegance and poetical beauty; but I was very suprised to discover that Stravinsky quoted Wagner's Good Friday Music in the adagio section, as a friend of mine made me notice. :)
"Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire." - Gustav Mahler

Moonfish

Has anybody here read Stephen Walsh's two part biography of Stravinsky? Would you recommend them?

[asin] 0679414843[/asin]

[asin] 0375407529[/asin]

"Every time you spend money you are casting a vote for the kind of world you want...."
Anna Lappé

Karl Henning

I have, and I recommend them highly.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Moonfish

"Every time you spend money you are casting a vote for the kind of world you want...."
Anna Lappé

Moonfish

Hmm, Stravinsky is a much more interesting composer than I had ever imagined. I think I was Le "sacrified" at an early age and steered clear...   :P    So much to catch up on!

I am really enjoying Boulez's performances!

[asin] B00005M9HW[/asin]
"Every time you spend money you are casting a vote for the kind of world you want...."
Anna Lappé

Karl Henning

The enthusiasm will seize you!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

NJ Joe



Just saw a used copy of this dirt cheap on Amazon and snatched it up.  Greatly looking forward to it.
"Music can inspire love, religious ecstasy, cathartic release, social bonding, and a glimpse of another dimension. A sense that there is another time, another space and another, better universe."
-David Byrne

Mirror Image

Quote from: NJ Joe on April 03, 2015, 04:46:30 PM


Just saw a used copy of this dirt cheap on Amazon and snatched it up.  Greatly looking forward to it.

Oh, this is quite good indeed. I love Boulez's earlier Stravinsky performances.

The new erato

Quote from: karlhenning on April 03, 2015, 02:02:22 PM
I have, and I recommend them highly.
Seconded by me as well.