The Crisis of Tonality

[Saul]

The most amusing part of all of this is just far out Saul is from this conversation. He has contributed nothing but childish remarks to this forum, which makes me wonder how old this "Saul" person truly is?

Do you actually ever laugh?

Mr.

[Saul]

SAUL :

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ad infinitum, you get the point...

Interesting poem.

[The new erato]

Crisis? What Crisis?

Perhaps a Crisis of Civility, which I feel would be a better title for this thread.

[Florestan]

I don't know if it would be a waste of time, but I know it would betray a failure to distinguish what makes a great composer, from what makes a fake one.

I'm greatly puzzled: what difference does it make to you if someone, somewhere enjoys Shostakovich?

Let us never forget the false teaching of the Art schools of the XIXth century, which misled their students into believe all they needed to do to become great painters was mix Michelangelo's line with Titian's color. That is the definition of academism, and all Academism was able to produce is Bougereau and Carolus Durand, considered masters in their lifetime but scorned by posterity

They are scorned not by "posterity", but by many critics and a lot of snobs. No sincere art lover would ever scorn anyone.

And mixing past styles is precisely what was done by Marcel Landowski, who advocated the fusion of modernism and of traditionalism - even as he hounded Boulez with hatred - and got nothing for his misplaced efforts, than the neglect of his contemporaries, as well as rejection by posterity

Your fixation on this Landowski guy, of whom not even the devil has heard, is something of an enigma.

[Elgarian]

As a byproduct of this thread, Saul seems to have identified a crisis of Blahism. It's true that there are only a few people at present who fully grasp the implications of blahistic speech. The majority of course see no meaning in statements like 'Blah blah blah', and see no difference between the randomly generated blahs that might be constructed, say, from rolling dice, and the carefully organised blahs of a master. That may be their perception, but the future, ladies and gentlemen, lies with the Blahists. Remember, you read it here first.

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[Saul]

As a byproduct of this thread, Saul seems to have identified a crisis of Blahism. It's true that there are only a few people at present who fully grasp the implications of blahistic speech. The majority of course see no meaning in statements like 'Blah blah blah', and see no difference between the randomly generated blahs that might be constructed, say, from rolling dice, and the carefully organised blahs of a master. That may be their perception, but the future, ladies and gentlemen, lies with the Blahists. Remember, you read it here first.

Blah. Blah blah blah. Blaaaaaaah.

Imagine an oratorio where the singers sing only one word, Blah?

Would be fun....

[Luke]

Thought there already was one....Elijblah   

[Saul]

Thought there already was one....Elijblah   

St. Mathews Crackers?

[Sergeant Rock]

Its good to know that you guys are never tired with arguing.
Sergent rock : Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah..

No, no...don't include me. I say my piece and then move on. I don't believe in argument. And furthermore, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, blah, blah, blah

Sarge

[Saul]

No, no...don't include me. I say my piece and then move on. I don't believe in argument. And furthermore, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, blah, blah, blah

Sarge

Dont blah yourself out of it...

[quintett op.57]

I don't know if it would be a waste of time, but I know it would betray a failure to distinguish what makes a great composer, from what makes a fake one.

What the great composers do is disingage themselves from the influences of their youth, in order to become themselves.

There's no rule like you say that draws an objective separating line between the great composers and the rest

As when Beethoven releases himself from the influence of Haydn, to compose the 3rd symphony.

It seems to me that the influence of Haydn is greater in the 3rd than in the first 2 symphonies, more mozartian to my ears.
Then, the influence of Händel is maybe hearable the most in the very last Beethoven symphony, both in its powerful expression and in its counterpoint.

While the fake composers fool themselves into believing they can create original music, by re-synthetizing borrowings from other composers

like Bach used to do....

greatly

[Sergeant Rock]

Dont blah yourself out of it...

Sarge

[karlhenning]

Can always count on Saul to pollute yet another thread.

[Saul]

Can always count on Saul to pollute yet another thread.

Pollute?

What are you an environmentalist?

[Gurn Blanston]

Well, since there hasn't been an on-topic post in a couple of pages now, I think this thread has fairly well played out. I'm sure we will find other places to play...